Evacuation form Afghanistan- women?

[Aprilinspringtimeshower]

So saw this article and the accompanying photo www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/17/afghanistan-striking-image-appears-to-show-640-people-fleeing-kabul-in-packed-us-military-plane?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This is what concerns me- where are the women? The overwhelming majority of people on that plane are men, adult males. There are a few women and some children.
Yet it is the women who are in greatest danger. Young girls, older women. Single women who won’t be able to support themselves once stopped from going outside unaccompanied, professional women who will be banned from working .

Everyone said that the war was about women’s right and way of life. And that what is happening now is a danger to the rights and well-being of women.

Surely it is women who are the ones that need to get out of the country safely and be offered asylum- so where are they? Why wasn’t that plane full of mostly women or even equal amounts of women and the men that accompany them.

I don’t hear the government saying anything to target protection and refuge for women specifically. And to young girls and women who are in real danger

AIBU that it is always the men that get the preference, and that really no one cares enough to actually provide proper protection to the women and girls ..it’s just all sound bites and noble words

Also we shouldn’t put our cultural experience and expectations as the only way to be and extrapolate that folk acting differently to our norms are therefore wrong. Some cultures/areas for instance are very much of the mind a community raises a child and for them it can be good to leave the child safely whilst they seek and work for a better life, whereas we cannot comprehend leaving a child behind mainly.

kungfupannda

People obviosuly can comment to whoever they want to. But I am just saying it isn't needed, and is becoming a dog and bone, when the person they are commenting to has tried to escalate an argument and to stop the thread being derailed. I'm getting a few people commenting again and again with the same things that I have already explained and it is a bit much when it was just a small comment I initially posted. Nowhere have I said it was all or even most men in Afghanistan (I have said I wasmt only talking about Afghanistan, you have assumed the culture comment), and I've said most of what yiuv3 said already, and the jumping on comment is about the number of people now indidually commenting back to me and me needing to reply when I've asked we agree to disagree to avoid arguments or derailing the thread.

^^ deescalate

As a religious person I think more and more that the way men will enter Paradise is by the way they treat women.

Blossomtoes

You are being really unpleasant and I could easily tell you you are talking rubbish. All I have done is posted a small comment explained why, and am now asking the posters who are commenting individually to agree to disagree becuase the thread is being derailed and an unneeded argument is taking place.

Exactly what I was thinking, before I'd even seen the pictures. I thought 'What's the betting that any mass evacuation from Afghanistan will be practically all men,the same as it seems to be on these boats crossing the channel'. Seems to me that they only think of themselves,leaving their women and children to face the dangers alone. Cowards.

@MsJinks

Also we shouldn’t put our cultural experience and expectations as the only way to be and extrapolate that folk acting differently to our norms are therefore wrong. Some cultures/areas for instance are very much of the mind a community raises a child and for them it can be good to leave the child safely whilst they seek and work for a better life, whereas we cannot comprehend leaving a child behind mainly.

Nowhere have I said this. Again, it was a simplified comment from thought I had, all anyone can do is comment form their own view of life. Obviosuly there are ways to be that aren't mine. My comment was actually about that.

If you ever thought this war was anything to do with womens/human rights then you're delusional.

@ALongHardWinter

Exactly what I was thinking, before I'd even seen the pictures. I thought 'What's the betting that any mass evacuation from Afghanistan will be practically all men,the same as it seems to be on these boats crossing the channel'. Seems to me that they only think of themselves,leaving their women and children to face the dangers alone. Cowards.

Another total lack of understanding

@ALongHardWinter

Exactly what I was thinking, before I'd even seen the pictures. I thought 'What's the betting that any mass evacuation from Afghanistan will be practically all men,the same as it seems to be on these boats crossing the channel'. Seems to me that they only think of themselves,leaving their women and children to face the dangers alone. Cowards.

Oh, do RTFT. The reason has been explained ad infinitum.

Women in Afghanistan are oppressed and have their human rights removed on the basis of their biological sex not their gender. They deserve priority in terms of asylum and evacuation due to risk of forced marriage, rape, deprivation of liberty and death.

Pervious rely was meant to quote an earlier reply which suggested that anyone not a primary care 9f children whatever their gender was at equal risk.

Exactly what I was thinking, before I'd even seen the pictures. I thought 'What's the betting that any mass evacuation from Afghanistan will be practically all men,the same as it seems to be on these boats crossing the channel'. Seems to me that they only think of themselves,leaving their women and children to face the dangers alone. Cowards.
What an awful person you are.

This thread is under the assumption that these 600 on the cargo plan where a planned evacuation.
They were not.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58242733

On Sunday, panicked civilians had scrambled up the loading ramp, Defense One quoted a US official as saying, but the crew decided it was best to take off rather than force the Afghans off the plane.
This is just a case of the strongest forcing their way on and lucky for them the pilot decided to take off anyway.

@LifesNotEnidBlyton

My previous comments seem to have been jumped on by a few posters. So, for anyone else I just want people to know there's no need because I can see people don't agree. That's ok and not everyone will, it was just my thoughts, but there's no need to derail the OPs thread or have an argument when we should all be able to comment freely so it'd be good to agree to disagree.

Everyone can comment freely, not just you. That means that people are free to disagree with you.

You can't post sweeping statements about Afghan men versus British men and not expect people to reply.

@Proudboomer

This thread is under the assumption that these 600 on the cargo plan where a planned evacuation. They were not.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58242733

On Sunday, panicked civilians had scrambled up the loading ramp, Defense One quoted a US official as saying, but the crew decided it was best to take off rather than force the Afghans off the plane.
This is just a case of the strongest forcing their way on and lucky for them the pilot decided to take off anyway.

They were both people scheduled to be on the flight and people who pushed their way on board:

The US defence official quoted by Defense One, says the flight from Kabul to Qatar was one of several which managed to extract hundreds of Afghans from Kabul.

Glad they made it. But if most leaving Kabul Airport, with clearance or not, are men - we've explained why many times over on the thread. Some good info in that article too, thanks.

@Queenelsarules

Women in Afghanistan are oppressed and have their human rights removed on the basis of their biological sex not their gender. They deserve priority in terms of asylum and evacuation due to risk of forced marriage, rape, deprivation of liberty and death.

And men don’t face the above (except for forced marriage and rape)?

Tractor, its the womens rights the UN are "particularly" concerned about.

It's the loss of women's rights that's being singled out the world over.

Why do you think that is?

While the women are getting a horrible, horrible deal, many people are forgetting that the countries which went there with their armies dropped many, many the male interpreters, soldiers and workers like a hot coal the second shit hit the fan. They are being executed, murdered. Have been for weeks.
Everyone in there is getting fucked. It's very easy to judge from afar and few pics in news...

@ALongHardWinter

Exactly what I was thinking, before I'd even seen the pictures. I thought 'What's the betting that any mass evacuation from Afghanistan will be practically all men,the same as it seems to be on these boats crossing the channel'. Seems to me that they only think of themselves,leaving their women and children to face the dangers alone. Cowards.

So if this boy's father had been able to leave him with extended family? If his elder brother had been able to travel alone? That would have made them cowards? Are you sure that's what you think, when you see men crowded into deathtraps at sea?

Alan Kurdi - he's only unusual because we've seen the photos.

@Wheretoeattweenandteen

Tractor, its the womens rights the UN are "particularly" concerned about.

It's the loss of women's rights that's being singled out the world over.

Why do you think that is?

Because the Taliban's last government attacked women's rights. Because the UN has a remit to work on the ground to preserve these rights, if possible, and is negotiating to do so: www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/unicef-says-some-taliban-support-education-afghan-girls-2021-08-17/ Because xenophobia and racism worldwide are triggered by male refugees, but women and children appeal more to protective instincts.

Has the UN asked the UK and US to evacuate women and children instead of their former employees?

Women are in a terrible situation in Afghanistan. Men who are on a Taliban hitlist need help to escape, urgently. Other men are more likely than women and children to be able to survive border crossings and refugee camps and end up here. Some women and children will survive because their men get away now. Some will get away later for that reason.

Can we not care about women and children and about men at risk of torture and execution?

@Wheretoeattweenandteen

Tractor, its the womens rights the UN are "particularly" concerned about.

It's the loss of women's rights that's being singled out the world over.

Why do you think that is?

I didn’t say that it’s untrue. But is it justification for prioritising women? In an emergency situation pp have already explained the justification for men going ahead. However if there’s a visa processing facility - I disagree that women should be flown out over men. whoever gets there first should get processed first.

Finally there’s there’s the small matter of not everybody qualifying for asylum. Countries are not flying out random people to rescue them based on general humanitarian grounds. They’re flying out (as already discussed) people whom they have worked with and promise safety to. The discussion of their sex isn’t relevant here.

I really think calling them cowards is disgusting. @ALongHardWinter you should be ashamed of that comment.

I'm not sure how many people in this thread have lived in war zones but all this the men will be executed instantly stuff is true.
What is also true is the reason the men's stories are told: because they are men.

The mere fact we don't know the stories of the women in places were men are the story tellers is a thing all by itself.

One way (of many) of honouring those who have been or will killed, is to continue to be the voices of those who have been raped and who minimise their ordeals because of the ongoing murders.

If me, my husband and children were at that airport because we had fear of reprisals because of my husband's work (and the reality is in Afghanistan it is far more likely to be my husband who was connected with the government/foreign military) and we acknowledged there was no way the children would be able to force themselves on the plane (have you seen the pictures? Not a hope), I imagine I may well have been screaming at my husband to get himself on that plane. I can't guarantee it (because who knows until you're in that situation) and I can't guarantee he would have gone, but the best thing for the family almost certainly would have been for him to go if he possibly could. How would him getting shot/tortured help me and the children? If he gets out at least there's hope he might be able to get us out.