Are some people actually this oblivious?

[TinyTroubleMaker]

OK so I'm on a campsite run by a well known membership body. We've been on site a while and used other sites. People are usually pretty sedate. Here so far, it gets dark around 8-9, people are quiet and respectful of others, everything goes quiet, everyone goes to sleep. Anyone who is up is more or less silent. Might sound boring to some but it works, means everyone gets a good rest and it's pleasant.

Tonight, a group arrived I think then went out. At twenty to eleven, they've returned and 1. Driven their van with headlights shining into tents waking everyone up. I can hear my neighbours awake by this 2. Kept engine running for what seems like quite a while 3. Slammed all the doors on their vehicle repeatedly 4. Got children out and let them yell everything they have to say loudly, without quietening them because others are asleep 5. Parents (or I think 2 women with 4 or so kids) not at all keeping their voices down either in talking to the kids 6. Once inside their tent / caravan continuing to say everything at top of voices which on a campsite carries at night 7. Still outside 30 minutes on, keeping half the campsite awake. Compared to every other camper I've experienced on this trip and other trips this summer, they have really poor manners.

It should be obvious every tent around them is dark, people are sleeping, and this behaviour is therefore going to wake multiple people. Within a certain area, say 15 tents at least with average 3-4 people each. More tents beyond that probably.

So, either they know this and think they are more important than literally everyone around them (and genuinely believe it's necessary to carry on at they are without even attempting to lower voices) or they are so oblivious that they actually can't figure out how anti social they are being.

I am so grateful we've had such fantastic fellow campers for days and days now but so disappointing to have to deal with this near the end of our stay.

Not sure what the AIBU is exactly, other than - can people really be this oblivious to their effect on others?

In recent years it’s more common for big gatherings of big groups of tents. It’s unreasonable for no noise, but certainly by 11 there shouldn’t be shouting.

Some people don't give a shit.

Like the couple who got on a train I was on last week with some sort of device playing the radio, loudly. They didn't give a shit that not everyone wanted to listen, their wants above everyone else's.

@CorianderBee

It's 10.40pm not 2am...

Plus, unfortunately unless there are campsite rules then you don't really get to tell them how to enjoy their holiday. This is the risk you take when you go camping

TinyTroubleMaker Mon 16-Aug-21 23:38:54 It's still ongoing after nearly an hour and near midnight. Including yelling / swearing at the children. Glad we've had a number of good nights sleep before this (as noone else behaved this way) and we're not due to stay long anywhere near them. Feel sorry for those who do.

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

Camping and Caravan Club?

We stayed on one of their sites last year. It was calm and ordered... but we felt like naughty school children half the time if we brome one of many of the written and unwritten rules.

It was more relaxing than the time our camping neighbours had a karaoke machine... but we probably won't use one of their sites again.

The worst bit about camping is having no control over who else is camping there.

I was thinking much the same . They had some great, well run sites in terrific locations when we were camping with the DC but some some of their visitors are godawful jobsworths who seemed intent on recreating Little Britain on the site.

We switched to European sites as at that time they were much better value for money for family camping (not helpful this year but if any of this year's new campers get the bug - don't be afraid to cross to the mainland!)

Hope you got up lovely and early this morning, and made plenty of noise near their tents?

We took our tent to one of those amazing campsites in France once - multiple pools, bar, tennis courts, etc etc.

The first night, the europop music from the bar and restaurant didn't stop until 1.30am. I politely enquired in the reception if that was just a Saturday night event. The lady cheergullu informed me that no, this entertainment is every night for your enjoyment. 🤦🏼‍♀️

The next day we bought earplugs from the chemist. DC were 6 and 4 and had no interest in the bar at night and we are early to bed people!!

In fact we were in our caravan in Cornwall this weekend and my phone went at 9.30pm - which shocked me as I was fast asleep.

Handfuls of bread on their caravan at 5 am tomorrow morning. That will have all the local birds clambering around and pecking away.

Sympathise OP but I am afraid that some people no longer think that consideration for others is important.

This is a story that is not what you are experiencing but shows how society is now going....

A friend of a friend was in holiday at a campsite in Somerset 2 weeks ago, after a couple of days she and her partner were set upon by 5 woman outside the shower block and beaten quite badly. Their reason - they were both female, and the assailants didn’t want’ their type’ on the campsite. Campsite security didn't call the police as they didn’t want any trouble ☹️ And they were advised to leave for their own safety. Meanwhile these 5 women were mothers bringing up children to think that that’s ok and get away without any consequences.

Some parts of our society are broken and people just behave as they like and get away with it because others are fearful of reporting them.

I think expecting people to be quiet at 8pm on holiday when it’s still light is a bit much, I suspect you’ve just had a lucky crowd. Not many people go to bed at this time.

Anecdotally, I've had far more trouble with selfish families when camping who are making loud noise with children screeching and running around, full on noise, clattering and banging around, waking everyone up between 5.30-7.30am, than I have of families who have been up and noisy, keeping people awake past 11pm. Generally I've found that even those staying up later tend to be quietly chatting round the fire, rather than being loud or raucous.

Quiet (not necessarily silent) between 11-7.30 seems reasonable to expect. Anything outside of that is selfish. And if you have children who you cannot stop from shouting and screaming at making lots of noise when they wake up at 5/6/7 am, then you need to consider staying somewhere else where they won't be a nuisance to everyone else.

@Waterfallgirl

Sympathise OP but I am afraid that some people no longer think that consideration for others is important.

This is a story that is not what you are experiencing but shows how society is now going....

A friend of a friend was in holiday at a campsite in Somerset 2 weeks ago, after a couple of days she and her partner were set upon by 5 woman outside the shower block and beaten quite badly. Their reason - they were both female, and the assailants didn’t want’ their type’ on the campsite. Campsite security didn't call the police as they didn’t want any trouble ☹️ And they were advised to leave for their own safety. Meanwhile these 5 women were mothers bringing up children to think that that’s ok and get away without any consequences.

Some parts of our society are broken and people just behave as they like and get away with it because others are fearful of reporting them.

That is absolutely dreadful.

That's a hate crime and should have been reported to the police and I hope your friends would still consider doing so.

We usually stay on campsites that have a code for behaviour as part of the booking, and that wouldn't be acceptable at all.

I should say, in answer to OP

What a nightmare, I would hate that.

I would have a chat with other people and complain together.

I sail, which is a lot like camping/caravan but on water. A lot here would hate it, quiet is from 10pm - 6am! After 10 you are expected to keep the noise down/be inside rather than on deck.

After 6 it is considered perfectly reasonable to wake your neighbour for them to move their boat to let you out. Though it is polite to ask the night before that you are planning this.

@itsgettingwierd

That’s what a I said. It’s a friend of a friend, and they haven’t reported it, they just want to forget it happened. I can’t stop thinking about it myself it’s just so awful.

Sorry for the detail OP. I hope you get this sorted out today and hopefully it was first night excitement on their part. If not then set your alarm for 6 am tomorrow morning!

We've always camped and so have my parents, I have been on countless campsites. I wouldn't expect a campsite to be quiet at 8pm and we have 3 children 5 and under, one is only a few months old. People are on holiday, us included so bedtimes go out the window. We usually are eating at 8pm not going to bed so I'm not sure where you are camping? Everywhere we have ever been 11pm is usually when you are quiet from, music goes off and you try to be considerate. Lots of campsites have gates that lock at 11 so if you are back later than that you park outside the gate and walk in so you don't wake people with the car headlights and banging doors. We once went camping in France with a 5 week old who woke up crying 4 plus times a night, our neighbours were Dutch and wouldn't even acknowledge us I assume our 5 week old kept them up, there's probably a thread on the Dutch mumsnet raging about the inconsiderate English family taking a newborn camping 😆.

If you want to go to bed at 8pm and have silence don't go camping, get an air b&b.

@Waterfallgirl that's utterly horrific.

I can only imagine that people like that won't be returning to camping once they can go to

This is why I willingly camp 1 to 2 nights. I hear everything and can’t sleep even with ear plugs. Have a word with site office so they can remind them of campsite rules.

Will only not willingly.

Surely quiet from 11pm is the norm not 8-9!

We camped at a lovely site near Corte Castle. Was woken up by a mother singing to her toddler while she cooked breakfast at 5am!!!

Are some people actually this oblivious?
Quite a lot of people unfortunately - based on 20+ years staying in Hotels for work.

Our worst experience camping pre-children was the family next door with 4? Children who acted like it was the middle of the day at 5.30am. The kids were out playing around our tent and woke us up everyday. They were all tucked up in bed before 9pm so it was lunchtime to them. I think they thought they were the vontrapps, the dad would sit playing the guitar and they all gathered around singing and swaying. Probably why I like camping so much, laughing at the strange people you come across!

Don’t visit Spain! We were at a lovely peaceful resort until Europe’s largest dance party started a few miles away. Started at 11pm finished around breakfast time. For 3 nights 😁