Housemate who secretly recorded us has been made a lecturer at UK university

[Smurfsarethefuture]

I cannot be unreasonable here. I wrote on here about two yrs ago about my housemate who hid a camera in our kitchen. He is now a lecturer at a London uni.

The police were not interested neither was landlady- I didn’t contact university and am now wondering should I?

I second DappledThings that you should have reported it to the university at the time.

I know when I've reported nearby university students for anti-social behaviour their university has been interested.

@BrozTito

I was going to say let it go but then i read it was a london university and not a provincial peasant nursery.

a what now?

The walking round naked thing I only did when housemates were away to clarify 😂

I honestly am shocked at the responses here - has there been a DM invasion?

A flat share gone wrong is of no interest to his employer or the police.

You need to let it go and move on with your life.

@Hathertonhariden

If you were having issues with people taking your stuff in a kitchen I think most people would suggest setting up a camera to discover who was responsible.

Did you get caught out taking his food OP?

This. Such a weird thread.

He is working on a project sequencing film scenes through machine learning. I presume he will say he wanted to track motion in front of a lense, etc, etc. When I found the camera I said no recording bt then found he had moved camera to front room and started recorded front of house. Then set up a different thing (not sure what it is) to automate watering plants that works from his computer It doesn't have a camera on it (that I can see) or recording device.

This is a completely different situation to someone setting up a secret camera in a bathroom or someone's bedroom. I don't think it's sinister. He was working on a project and set up a camera in the kitchen to capture movement. It doesn't sound like he was intending to film people half-dressed etc.
Having said that, I'd have been fucking furious if one of my housemates did that and I would have told them to stop immediately and that they do not have my permission to film me.
When you complained he moved the camera to film things outside the front of the house. This would also suggest that he was just trying to capture movement rather than using it to spy on his housemates. I wouldn't have been happy about being film coming and going to the front door and I'd have told him that too. In fact I'd have told him I'd be removing the camera every time it appeared.

So to summarize yes, I'd have been fucking furious and told him to stop but no, I wouldn't report him to the university because he hasn't done anything sinister and it's extremely unlikely that this is a pattern of behaviour. He was doing some kind of project on filming movement and seriously lacked judgement on what was appropriate to film.

Ohh there was a daily mail invasion ages ago, round about the time they started threads and threads on megan markle but DEFINITELY arnt racists.

I think you need to move on, it’s not as though he was recoding you in the bedroom or bathroom? Yes he should have informed you that he was putting a camera in the kitchen but is it really such a huge deal that you would want to try and ruin his career over it?

I’m guessing the camera was to try and catch someone out steeling? If he had told everyone about it then they wouldn’t get caught would they?

BTW, I have a camera in my kitchen 🤣

Actually once we had the police come around as flatmate was a wrongen, they asked if i wanted to report his eating our food ha

Thank you @HeronLanyon

I ‘m going to ask MNHQ to look into this thread or take it down as something seems off to me.

I posted as I wouldn’t nature let a lot of things go and just thought perhaps I should have done more as there are clear guidelines for students on recording which he would have known.

I really think some of the responses here are at odds with much of the public messaging we are getting about unwanted behaviour. I’m not sure who is right and I understand people are sceptical about convictions but also I did think there was more going on behind the scenes.

[quote SurferRona]OP, for a more reasonable response to this sort of voyeurism, see the responses here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4320931-husband-spied-on-me-through-blink-camera[/quote]
OP, for responses about a completely different scenario, see the responses there.

Hi OP. I work for a university in Student Discipline and would investigate complaints like this so I know what I'm talking about!

1. Were you at Uni together at the time you lived together?
2. Does he lecture at that same Uni?

If the answer to both questions is 'yes' then you could absolutely get somewhere with this complaint. Also if the answer to 2. is yes. If not you can still complain but it is unlikely to get anywhere.

You make a complaint to the Uni he was at at the time and is still working at. They investigate. They would probably inform HR of the outcome.

You would need your other housemates to support your story I imagine.

If he works at a different Uni there is not much that can be done I'm afraid. Happy to answer questions if you have any but I do have work to do this afternoon (including an investigation interview) so might not reply promptly

Why was he filming in the kitchen?

Thank you @PlainJaneSuperbrainthe2nd

I’m not wrong then that there are protocols to follow for this kind of thing.

The uni won’t care, he filmed a communal area, not the bathrooms or the bedrooms etc. It’s not nice but I think you have to let it go really.

Something seems off? What that the thread isn’t full of people agreeing with you? Jesus.

@Smurfsarethefuture I totally empathise with your gut feeling. The other guy in the house moves out and this creep immediately sets up a camera (there could have been others!) without telling his 3 female house mates. Absolutely unethical in the terms of his PhD research. People pursue certain jobs or sectors for a reason: because victims are easier to access, in this case, young and sometimes vulnerable students. I would contact the university, but I would go via the Women's Officer of the Student Union and if the President or Vice-president are female, I would involve them. They are better placed to talk to students about consent, Safeguarding, coercive behaviour from lecturers and boundaries, even if they cannot directly name him. Good luck OP. You are thinking of others and please ignore the trolls on here

I can see where you’re coming from but do you think he will lose his job and livelihood because of this?
Do you think he presents a risk to his potential students?

From what you’ve said I can see why you’re concerned/angry but I don’t think there’s evidence that he does, is there?

Also I know this is not the point but if he was going to put a camera somewhere and had sexual motivation wouldn’t he gone for the bathroom or bedroom?

I really don't get OPs who come on to tell half a story and then start hysterically whining at people asking for clarification before they agree to say YANBU...

There's a woman on twitter who maintains a database of predatory academics -- you could contact her to let her know: (@lottelydia).

@MattHancocksSexTape

No, it’s not about people agreeing with me or not.

There is something wrong when people are so defensive of behaviour like this. Some posters have written very thoughtful replies, which I appreciate but the antagonistic ones? I don’t think they serve a purpose. I’m not deranged, unbalanced, petty or anything like that - I didn’t report him and left the house.

If you're going to be purposefully unhelpful, obtuse and evasive then you can't expect others to give you the benefit of the doubt. And as others have uncovered from your previous posts, you are intentionally not representing the situation correctly.

@Smurfsarethefuture

Thank you *@HeronLanyon*

I ‘m going to ask MNHQ to look into this thread or take it down as something seems off to me.

I posted as I wouldn’t nature let a lot of things go and just thought perhaps I should have done more as there are clear guidelines for students on recording which he would have known.

I really think some of the responses here are at odds with much of the public messaging we are getting about unwanted behaviour. I’m not sure who is right and I understand people are sceptical about convictions but also I did think there was more going on behind the scenes.

What is "off" is that people are responding to you in the manner that you are posting.

If you're open, happy to answer concerns and genuine in how you present a situation, you'll get that back.

I’m not wrong then that there are protocols to follow for this kind of thing.
Yes, which is why you were advised by multiple users two years ago to see if he was breaking the ethical guidelines of his research which would have been a possible route of recourse but it sounds like you went to the police instead. Not surprised police weren't interested really as it wasn't a specifically private area of the house.