AIBU to be asked to reframe my trauma by the trans CEO of Scottish Rape Crisis?

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The CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis has said "Sexual violence happens to bigoted people too. But if you bring beliefs that are discriminatory, expect to be challenged on your prejudice. Reframe your trauma"

Apparently, survivors are to be "educated" in this service.

forwomen.scot/10/08/2021/the-real-crisis-at-rape-crisis-scotland/

Tonight is a really tough one. Women who have been raped or sexually assaulted need females to listen to them. Rape Crisis was that service and used to offer trauma based therapy.

I don't need educating - I know that detailing my experience to a man, or a transwomen is NEVER something I will do.

This is too much.

The response to this online would make for a scandal over any other subject. Trans is untouchable.

We all wait with bated breath for an apology from Mridul Wadhwa.

Unlikely.

Haven't RTFT.

Looking at the article, this is one person projecting their experience onto literally everyone else, then going further to target female SA victims specifically and comparing trauma and life experience like one should trump the other.

It's deeply unsettling that they feel the need to bring this argument to such a sensitive setting which is so clearly inappropriate for this conversation.

Also, their point was entirely hypothetical in the first place and is not even actually how women's shelters do operate! So again, completely using their own perspective to berate women, while at the same time lecturing traumatised women to not do that exact thing.

I am really shocked. I am actually a proponent of trans inclusive feminism but this is the exact shit that causes discourse and divisiveness. I'm very disappointed.

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

But according to many intelligent, educated, respectable voices Rape Crisis should not have helped her because she was trans

From the hunter twitter link

Isnt it an outright lie?

Yes I think so. But I think Hunter knows which side her political bread is buttered and she knows that traumatised rape victims have little power.

What a sterling example to womanhood she is.

MW embodies everything that is wrong with Scottish politics. They should have lost their job when they admitted they lied to get it. I cannot fathom how they managed to secure an even more powerful position over traumatised women. And now they are clearly and explicitly laying out their disdain for the service users and women like DFW are lapping it up.

It really is shocking stuff.

am really shocked. I am actually a proponent of trans inclusive feminism but this is the exact shit that causes discourse and divisiveness. I'm very disappointed

There is a lot of this 'exact shit' around - that's the problem :(

@ArabellaScott

Yes, Badger. It's bullshit. Nobody is talking about transwomen looking for counselling. What we're concerned with is women looking for single sex counselling. They're just trying to shift the focus - yet again - from women to transwomen. Away from Mridhul.

They resort to lies every time.

So what you're saying is...

No, no that's not what we're fucking saying and you know it.

Detestable, isn't it?

I just read another article stating the following:

Washwa then left the party in December after MSPs overwhelmingly backed a law to allow victims of rape and sexual assault to choose the sex rather than gender of the person examining them

This is really the root of the problem. I think it is admirable for anyone to want to work with SA survivors in any capacity, but I think if you are going to actively seek out a career dealing with almost exclusively female SA survivors, you have to take into account their wishes, not everything is about validating your identity as a trans woman. While your pain is real Mridul, it is not all about you, and if you are a proponent of SA trauma treatment, you should understand better than most that women can feel uncomfortable around any male when having to relive or talk about these experiences.

I don't understand it, it almost feels like they are going out of their way to go into women's spaces and tell women to just be happy about it or else.

[quote ArabellaScott]Well, women.

'The comment that matters the most' to this SNP councillor is that of a transwoman. Never mind all the women commenting, apparently.

mobile.twitter.com/MhairiHunter/status/1425343425587687426[/quote]
So a comment that's orthogonal to the issue being discussed is 'the most important'? Is this person generally poor at comprehension?

Of course transwomen - and men and transmen - should be able to access appropriate, compassionate services if they are rape victims.

But so should women.

@Sexnotgender

NHS Lancashire, for male victims of abuse. Interesting highlights.

And apparently there is a link to this from Rape Crisis Scotland.

@littlbrowndog

My country how it is now. Despite the thousands of women tweeting. The comment that matters most 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

The needs of transwomen are different to a women.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-42909606
The transgender-only home giving people a 'safe place'

Until we talk about the needs of a woman. Then they have exactly the same needs and experiences.

@LoverOfLight

Haven't RTFT.

Looking at the article, this is one person projecting their experience onto literally everyone else, then going further to target female SA victims specifically and comparing trauma and life experience like one should trump the other.

It's deeply unsettling that they feel the need to bring this argument to such a sensitive setting which is so clearly inappropriate for this conversation.

Also, their point was entirely hypothetical in the first place and is not even actually how women's shelters do operate! So again, completely using their own perspective to berate women, while at the same time lecturing traumatised women to not do that exact thing.

I am really shocked. I am actually a proponent of trans inclusive feminism but this is the exact shit that causes discourse and divisiveness. I'm very disappointed.

It's not just one person, though. This issue goes to the heart of the Scottish government.

Mridhul has been employed by various govt funded agencies (Engender, Rape Crisis) and consulated by the Scottish Govt, stood as an SNP MSP candidate. Rape Crisis Edinburgh is run by a Scottish Green co-convenor. This issue involves many people deeply embedded in the Government and has already proved very divisive.

During a bill on Forensice Medical Examiners last year, a Labour MSP proposed an amendment to a motion to ensure that rape victims should be able to ask for a female examiner by sex not gender.

After much stirring debate, the motion passed, overwhelmingly, with only the Scottish Greens voting that women should not be able to ask for a female examiner by sex.

Mridhul then left the SNP and joined the Greens. Because this single issue - whether males can be included in the definition of 'woman' - is clearly what drives Mridhul.

It should really just he some shouldn't it.

Let the survivors choose the sex of their therapist.

If they are happy with a man who claims to be nothing but a man. Fine.

If they would prefer a woman then also fine.

No decent human being would question why the choice has been made. They would understand and be focused on the victims needs.

This isn't the time or place for anything else. And if you have to darvo on a rape victim to justify your presence you should just be told NO. Fir once mate it's not about you. Deal with it.

No. Even toddlers know know it means.

This is MENTAL. "Reframe your trauma" is a literally horrifying sentence which I wish I'd never had to read or think about. It's like something out of 1984. I just can't get my head around this idea that it's okay to cause so much horrific suffering and pain and fear in one group of people, just so that another group of people feel that they can do anything. This isn't equality at all. It's so, so far from equality, and so frightening. I fear it will get worse before it gets better.

I doubt women are seen, in the full Kantian sense as 'people'.

Fir once it should just be simple

That should say. Sorry fir typos

Consulated?! Consulted, of course.

Autocucumber again...

This is a slowly spreading poison. What on earth we do about it I have no idea. This podcast was a brilliant analysis of what's happening...www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/the-trans-war-on-reality/

Has anyone pointed out to some of these blinkered fools that - as that Lanarkshire link implies - while there will be some male victims of rape who'd prefer help from someone of their own sex, there will be others who categorically do not want someone who is the same sex as their rapist. Is it possible that these idiots who insist on women 'reframing their trauma' will get the bloody point if they think about male victims?

It’s all been said so we’ll on this thread.

I just wanted to lay a marker down that I am with you and I am reía tino with all my might.

Reía tino?

Resisting.

I don't understand it, it almost feels like they are going out of their way to go into women's spaces and tell women to just be happy about it or else.

Nailed it. Right there.

I am really shocked. I am actually a proponent of trans inclusive feminism but this is the exact shit that causes discourse and divisiveness.

Sadly, once you scratch the surface, you will see MW's attitude reflected in most discussions about the conflicts of this groups protections on those of women and children.

FWIW, so many of us who are fighting to uphold or even better, strengthen the rights protecting women and children, in particular the discrimination and safeguarding laws and policies, also want trans people to have their own strong protections. But their own, tailored to their needs without negatively affecting the other groups because their needs are unique.

However, that seems to be not on the political agenda and so we see this very same attitude replicated on all levels.

This is also what happens when language gets changed to suit a minority and the negative impacts on those who need that language to describe their uniqueness is completely ignored and positioned as hateful.

I’ve read this thread in horror and fascination. Thanks to all who’ve contributed.

I do honestly support trans women living however they want. However the sticking point seems to be as follows. It is not actually possible to change sex and our bodies will always reflect that. The trans debate urges us to gloss over this fact like it’s not important, but there are certain situations where it is. Competitive sport is one of them. This is another.

A trans woman as rape councillor could have the best intentions in the world, but their physical presence has the potential to trigger rape victims. There’s no way round that and it is horrendously unfair to expect victims to pull off some sort of magical thinking to uphold the fallacy that the physical body doesn’t matter. And then call them bigoted and ignorant if they don’t.

Mridul Wadhwa shows absolutely no empathy for the very people she’s supposed to be supporting and it is disgraceful she is still in this role.

*@ArabellaScott sorry I just mean in terms of Mridal herself, they are massively projecting one single person's (their own) experience of discrimination and have for some reason decided to target that at all women. It's fucked up that they have so much influence.

Mridul Wadhwa shows absolutely no empathy for the very people she’s supposed to be supporting and it is disgraceful she is still in this role

I totally agree.

@TheKeatingFive I totally agree with everything you have just said.