If it’s that bad, why aren’t we panicking more??

[Nightgardenisodd]

Climate change.
I keep reading posts about it and it’s scaring the crap out of me for my DD’s future.
How bad is it? Anyone have any positivity about it?

Those who dwell under bridges seem to be having some fun here..

Yes, I think exactly that, because there are obviously only two solutions to any problem - black and white.

Well, no, There either is a solution or we all, Chinese workers included, are buggered.

What about the Bangladeshi workers, who are are even poorer but who will be on the bottom on the deep blue sea with the rising sea levels? Why don't you spare a thought for them? The Seyshelles and the hospitality workers there?

China has a bottomless budget for buying up anything they like, maybe they can furlough their own workers?

Interesting polling info - people not keen on higher costs, more keen on restrictions on e.g. number of flights.

The interesting thing is that people are under the illusion that there is a choice to be made.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Interesting polling info - people not keen on higher costs, more keen on restrictions on e.g. number of flights.

The interesting thing is that people are under the illusion that there is a choice to be made.

Quite

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Yes, I think exactly that, because there are obviously only two solutions to any problem - black and white.

Well, no, There either is a solution or we all, Chinese workers included, are buggered.

What about the Bangladeshi workers, who are are even poorer but who will be on the bottom on the deep blue sea with the rising sea levels? Why don't you spare a thought for them? The Seyshelles and the hospitality workers there?

China has a bottomless budget for buying up anything they like, maybe they can furlough their own workers?

Exactly, China existed and did reasonably well before we all needed some complete shite to buy for a momentary surge of endorphins! We need to stop clinging to this idea we can keep things the same just more environmentally friendly -we can’t.

Large parts of the world are going to become uninhabitable very quickly. Worldwide we need to drastically reduce the number of babies being born. Soon the distinction between the developed and third world will not be such a big distinction as were all squashed into ever decreasing areas of land with increasing limited resources we need to cut worldwide population as a matter of urgency.

Is this what bill Gates was speaking about at a Ted conference once, the one that people were accused of being conspiracy theorists over.

Funny how those people are turning out to be right

The polling is interesting though because there is clear support for some measures.

The higher costs will come inevitably anyway.

@Ibelieveinghosts - you can’t cut the worldwide population “as a matter of urgency” by not having children - to cut it “as a matter of urgency” you have to kill off the living… Obviously letting people drown in floods, burn to death in fires and die of viruses and bacterial infections would help with your plan to cut the worldwide population as a matter of urgency. So I’m not sure we should be calling too loudly for an urgent cut in the worldwide population, just in case the powers that be take this too seriously!

Oh and who is anyone to tell nothing reason sorry your not allowed to have children even though I have had 3 myself because you know we need to think about the planet but I didnt when I decided to have mine.

Wtaf

I'd be more agreeable if it was abit like China funnily enough where a limit was imposed

[quote Walkaround]@Ibelieveinghosts - you can’t cut the worldwide population “as a matter of urgency” by not having children - to cut it “as a matter of urgency” you have to kill off the living… Obviously letting people drown in floods, burn to death in fires and die of viruses and bacterial infections would help with your plan to cut the worldwide population as a matter of urgency. So I’m not sure we should be calling too loudly for an urgent cut in the worldwide population, just in case the powers that be take this too seriously![/quote]
By cutting the number of children being born it will start to cut down the worlds population of more people are dying (as they do every day) than are being born reducing the number of children being born is very important

@Dreamstate

Oh and who is anyone to tell nothing reason sorry your not allowed to have children even though I have had 3 myself because you know we need to think about the planet but I didnt when I decided to have mine.

Wtaf

I'd be more agreeable if it was abit like China funnily enough where a limit was imposed

Yes, one child should become the norm (rather than the shit stigmatising of only children -speaking as a mother of an only child who constantly hears things like -well it’s because he hasn’t got any siblings, when are you having more, it’s cruel to have only one Etc)

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Interesting polling info - people not keen on higher costs, more keen on restrictions on e.g. number of flights.

The interesting thing is that people are under the illusion that there is a choice to be made.

I suspect an awful lot of answers were given in the assumption that "somebody else" will be affected ....

The thing is that cheap mass production brought us here. When you produce cheap the only way to make money is to mass manufacture and that wastes resources and energy.

Restricting the number of flights a person can take will lead to fewer air movements and higher prices.

Whoever put that quiz together has either no idea how things work or wants to mislead the public.

There is no choice.

Climate activists have been taking about population controls, eating less meat, not buying single use items for years. It’s all obvious but we need to do it.

Yes government should be leading this and dealing with dire companies. But as we have these clowns we need to do our bit now and vote for better MPs ASAP.

Business for too long has been ignoring climate issues. It’s all about profit. Companies who use packaging should pay for it to be collected and reused. From coffee cups to cars. They produce what they like and let councils eg us pay for getting rid of it down the line. Germany has a much better approach where packaging companies have to fund recycling plants. We don’t do that in the Uk.

The main underlying cause is that there are simply too many people now, and more being created.

So how many of you saying w ended to do this do that are actually doing it yourself?
Have you stopped shopping at places that use too much plastic?
Have you given up your car?
Stopped travelling abroad?
Only had one child
Quit meat entirely
Buy less stuff

Lets see if your practicing what your preaching

@Dreamstate

So how many of you saying w ended to do this do that are actually doing it yourself? Have you stopped shopping at places that use too much plastic? Have you given up your car? Stopped travelling abroad? Only had one child Quit meat entirely Buy less stuff

Lets see if your practicing what your preaching

3 of those 5, working on the meat.

We are missing leadership and focus, since the 'report, climate change has been removed from the news :(

*Have you stopped shopping at places that use too much plastic? (trying but could do better)

Have you given up your car? (no - I have trouble doing this as I live rurally - e.g nursery is 5 miles away)

Stopped travelling abroad? (yes)

Only had one child (no)

Quit meat entirely (yes)

Buy less stuff (yes)*

So I'm trying but I could do better.

I would be happy to use public transport if there was any, but local buses are extremely few and far between and don't go anywhere directly. I did try quite hard to make an electric car work last time we needed to change cars, but in the end, with the 2nd hand ones we could afford, the batteries didn't last long enough to fulfil our daily trips.

The childish aggressive “if you don’t live under a hedge yourself stfu” approach needs to stop. If the majority of us did a few things it would help. I’m not perfect by any means but am trying - reducing meat stopped at two dc refillables etc. We bloody love travel and not flying is what hurts me.

@Dreamstate

So how many of you saying w ended to do this do that are actually doing it yourself? Have you stopped shopping at places that use too much plastic? Have you given up your car? Stopped travelling abroad? Only had one child Quit meat entirely Buy less stuff

Lets see if your practicing what your preaching

Yeah, this attitude is part of the problem. 'Unless everyone else is perfection personified, I can feel morally justified in living my life in the easiest and most fun way possible. They shouldn't pass judgement on me because they're not perfect either,' while you take your five kids on long haul holidays every year, run the hot tub at 40 degrees constantly all year so it's always the perfect temperature etc.

No one is going to be perfect. Everyone can do better. Doesn't mean no one should bother trying.

@Globaluser

The people on this planet are selfish, unkind, and just absolutely awful; therefore the world is broken! My heart weeps for it and the children that live on it!

Humans are the worst. Awful race.

What good does panicking do? Why are we all still buying food in disposable plastic when the supermarkets and food producers could make a huge difference by insisting we all reuse our glass containers, I have hundreds of glass jars, Pyrex etc and I would much prefer to refill those than buy a new one each time. The big industries need to step up and make changes that we the little people can support.

@MsTSwift if the majority of us did a few things it would help yes, but it's a drop in the ocean. It won't make any meaningful difference in the timescale needed. What is needed is global cooperation from governments and corporations to eliminate entire industries and imposing aggressive laws on individual freedoms. Which ain't gonna happen.

So what’s your solution? Just give up?

Well we have peolle here telling other people that they shouldn't have children whilst they have had multiple children themselves

Don't you see how utterly disgusting that is. So you want other people to stop doing the very thing you've done.

Deny other people the experience of having children because all of a sudden your concerned about the environment

And if as some others say there are too many people on the planet then wasn't covid the right time to depopulate then? Instead people didn't want anyone to die.

So you eveb listen to yourselves when you spiut utter tripe like that