If it’s that bad, why aren’t we panicking more??

[Nightgardenisodd]

Climate change.
I keep reading posts about it and it’s scaring the crap out of me for my DD’s future.
How bad is it? Anyone have any positivity about it?

COP26 will be talked about in November and following that we will be commenting on threads about the latest JL xmas ad.

yes this exactly.

Every fucking fucker will be chucking glitter out in the garden (the reindeers can find their way just fine without this - fuck off with your sparkly litter) and buying a trolley full of shit and anyone who suggests maybe we should rein it in a bit will get a pasting.

It’s evolution every race is erased and a new one formed. We can slow it down maybe but we can’t stop the inevitable.

@AllisoninWunderland

The Climate Change board is under ‘other stuff’ and the Ethical Living board is under ‘home and garden’.

It would be good if we all started going there more instead of getting sucked into random dramas on aibu!

Should it be hidden as a subsection in a subsection?

We talk about big issues on AIBU as well as just wedding dramas, I think climate change should be front and centre.

I didn;t agree with Covid being shoved off either, it was the topic of the day year+

Better keep an eye on those billionaire's space programmes, they'll be needing support staff when they blast off and leave us to our suppurating fate trying to survive in the mess they've left behind.

Some of us are panicking.

We can’t keep blaming China. We buy the stuff they are making in those factories!

Stop buying stuff you don’t need and that will help

End user behaviour DOES matter

There are 60 million of us in the UK. If we all stopped buying plastic stuff we don’t really need today then that is a factory in China shut down. It’s that basic.

Climate scientists have been telling us to eat less meat as it’s more carbon intense than pulses and veg. It’s worth listening to them.

I’ve been terrified about this for years and years. I’ve done everything I can personally - the rest is out of our hands. I got quite ill from worrying about this a couple of years ago - what made me feel better is the knowledge that it’s far more of a mainstream concern now, and that thousands of people are trying to do something to help.

@Newgirls

End user behaviour DOES matter

There are 60 million of us in the UK. If we all stopped buying plastic stuff we don’t really need today then that is a factory in China shut down. It’s that basic.

Climate scientists have been telling us to eat less meat as it’s more carbon intense than pulses and veg. It’s worth listening to them.

The point is that governments and businesses, as proven by covid, can make substantial and radical changes overnight, when the will us there. It should not be down to individuals to moderate their own choices, partly because for every middle class person who has the luxury of being able to make climate friendly choices, there are more low income people who simply cants, or ill informed people who won’t. The responsibility should not test on our shoulders when governments and organisations have huge levers they can pull, the pressure should be squarely on them. Governments globally can stop the fossil fuel industry in its tracks tomorrow if it wants to, can stop shipping recyclable rubbish in other countries to get dumped in oceans, can hugely de-incentivise carbon heavy processes like meat industry, fashion industry, aviation, etc and can put in place a new model in which we move away from the capitalist nightmare and GDP that focusses on relentless production and consumption at any cost, put a ‘monetary’ value on the environment so that countries that we need desperately to support us in saving the plenty, have environmental assets that are valuable in their own right (rainforests, or endangered animals) and not just as a business opportunity. If we think by reusing our water bottles and plastic bags we will stop the climate catastrophe we are dreaming.

So many typos! Argh

@lannistunut

COP26 will be talked about in November and following that we will be commenting on threads about the latest JL xmas ad.

yes this exactly.

Every fucking fucker will be chucking glitter out in the garden (the reindeers can find their way just fine without this - fuck off with your sparkly litter) and buying a trolley full of shit and anyone who suggests maybe we should rein it in a bit will get a pasting.

And recently I expect most of the parents on here did the whole give teachers end of year gifts.

Where did that come from? Just another way to spend money in the endless consumerism journey.

Yep, on active topics yesterday I could see a few climate change/IPCC report/panic threads but layered in-between them: “should I do 1 Dec or Chrisstmas Eve box?”, “help me revamp my wardrobe”, “is this enough of a birthday haul for an 8yo?” etc.

The news isn’t even touching the sides.

@NCwhatsmynameagain you are 100% right, however no govt or business can act unilaterally in a global, competitive market. It’s suicidal.

We need international agreements (standards/ targets/ sanctions) to level the playing field, otherwise others will just undercut and gain the competitive advantage. I believe this can be achieved at the summit- and it our only hope really. Everything else is futile.

[quote Lapsidasicle]@NCwhatsmynameagain you are 100% right, however no govt or business can act unilaterally in a global, competitive market. It’s suicidal.

We need international agreements (standards/ targets/ sanctions) to level the playing field, otherwise others will just undercut and gain the competitive advantage. I believe this can be achieved at the summit- and it our only hope really. Everything else is futile.[/quote]
Yes you’re right. However it’s such a huge ambition to hope that the countries of the world will come together to put together a comprehensive package of transformative worldwide measures to address the environmental impact, whilst addressing the disproportionate impact this will have on some countries rather than others, that I don’t feel very optimistic at all

• the environmental crisis

I strongly believe Covid is Mother Nature trying to send us a message about the way we live our lives.

We can stop flying all round the world, people by and large accept a whole new way of living where necessary, we should be concentrating on our health, everyone seems to have reconnected to nature given half a chance! We stopped spending as much, people want space rather than being stacked up in inner city rabbit cages, cycling and walking are doable. This happened all over the world.

To save the planet governments need to give up the idea of the dollar, you can’t spend money on a barren planet, ration high carbon foods, fuel, travel, children, animals, buying non-essentials, bring back clothing coupons etc. Punish companies who produce electric goods which don’t last 10 years,

We need to stop tinkering round the edges -the time for a recycled yoghurt pot saving the planet was never really here. We need to stop clinging to the idea life just gets better and better in the same framework, it’s time to reset/reincarnate. Empires rise and fall and quite frankly the writing is on the wall!

I've started this thread to gather ideas for anyone who is interested in trying to reduce their carbon footprint:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4319399-If-you-are-taking-actions-to-reduce-climate-change-thread-to-share-ideas

@Ibelieveinghosts

I strongly believe Covid is Mother Nature trying to send us a message about the way we live our lives.

We can stop flying all round the world, people by and large accept a whole new way of living where necessary, we should be concentrating on our health, everyone seems to have reconnected to nature given half a chance! We stopped spending as much, people want space rather than being stacked up in inner city rabbit cages, cycling and walking are doable. This happened all over the world.

To save the planet governments need to give up the idea of the dollar, you can’t spend money on a barren planet, ration high carbon foods, fuel, travel, children, animals, buying non-essentials, bring back clothing coupons etc. Punish companies who produce electric goods which don’t last 10 years,

We need to stop tinkering round the edges -the time for a recycled yoghurt pot saving the planet was never really here. We need to stop clinging to the idea life just gets better and better in the same framework, it’s time to reset/reincarnate. Empires rise and fall and quite frankly the writing is on the wall!

More importantly raise your children up to respect their environment in the first place

@Dreamstate absolutely, it should go without saying raise your child to respect the environment and that entails all the things I’ve mentioned, but time and time again individuals as a whole aren’t making the right choices so inevitably they will have to be forced on us.

But we can start making changes, no one seems to have a problem telling people who don’t want the vaccine their anti social, maybe we should start saying this to people with 3kids, who appear at work with anew top every week, make unnecessary car journeys, buy complete tat they don’t need, have their thermostat up to 25 when wearing a t shirt, brag about long haul travel, eat meat more than a couple of times a week, eat no sustainable seafood All of this is far more dangerous to mankind. This is what we should be bringing up our kids to think

*they're not their

www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/10/climate-crisis-what-can-individuals-do-to-make-a-difference-in-the-uk

I feel a bit like we are living through a disaster movie. We're right in the opening scenes at the moment. The bit where everyone repeatedly ignores the scientists.

If we all stopped buying plastic stuff we don’t really need today then that is a factory in China shut down. It’s that basic.
But you realise that this means that tens, possibly hundreds of thousands Chinese workers are immediately unemployed, right? And that unemployment is not as rosy everywhere as it is in the UK?

But you realise that this means that tens, possibly hundreds of thousands Chinese workers are immediately unemployed, right? And that unemployment is not as rosy everywhere as it is in the UK?

So you think we should keep buying Chinese products to support China and ignore the climate crisis?

twitter.com/henrymance/status/1425096516222472193

Interesting polling info - people not keen on higher costs, more keen on restrictions on e.g. number of flights.

One thing we need to face up to is a very low % of people take most of the flights - a few people fly weekly for example. So limiting to e.g. one return journey per year would not affect the majority of people.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

But you realise that this means that tens, possibly hundreds of thousands Chinese workers are immediately unemployed, right? And that unemployment is not as rosy everywhere as it is in the UK?

So you think we should keep buying Chinese products to support China and ignore the climate crisis?

Yes, I think exactly that, because there are obviously only two solutions to any problem - black and white. What's cheap plastic tat for you, puts daily food on the table for someone much, much less privileged, someone who lives without western post-industrial safety nets. Spare some thought for them too maybe.