Nine years for starving a baby to death

[PropertyFlipper]

I’m struggling to see the justice here. This sorry specimen will be out in five years no doubt. Devastating.
Teen mother, 19, bursts into tears as she is jailed for nine years

@ElephantOfRisk

As has been pointed out before on this thread. It's perfectly possible for her to be a person damaged by her experiences AND still be a selfish horrible murderer.

But she's not a murderer. She was not convicted of murder 🙄

@Ravenclawsome she was not convicted of murder. But she murdered her child. She knew she would die.

[quote ufucoffee]@Ravenclawsome she was not convicted of murder. But she murdered her child. She knew she would die. [/quote]
If she had been tried for murder she would have got off. At least this way she is behind bars for a few years at least. It's not enough , but that's the system and how it works. :(

[quote ufucoffee]@Ravenclawsome she was not convicted of murder. But she murdered her child. She knew she would die. [/quote]
This exactly. Just because she wasn't convicted of murder doesn't change the fact that she is a deeply cruel and selfish murderer.

@Handsoffstrikesagain

kana is spot on. Too many bleeding heart liberals falling over themselves to look for an excuse about why she did this. She’s a nasty selfish child neglecting monster. She ignored her daughters most basic human rights. You don’t need a nice upbringing or a degree to know you have to feed a child. And I will say it again, no one would be looking for a defence or explanations if this were a man.

Absolutely this.

[quote ufucoffee]@Ravenclawsome she was not convicted of murder. But she murdered her child. She knew she would die. [/quote]
Semantics really. They went for the conviction they could secure easily.

She planned this knowing she was leaving her child in a dangerous situation. She was aware that she hadn't been "rescued" as she had been contacted about her whereabouts while she was away and chose to lie. Many things that fit the requirement for a murder charge. The only thing left really was whether she would understand that leaving a small child with no access to food or drink and to wallow in their own faeces could result in their death. SHe had a younger sibling, she managed to feed and water herself. That might not have been provable but i'm damned sure she knew.

Our judicial system is hopeless. Take a life you should lose yours holed up in an uncomfortable prison environment with no luxuries, only allowed the basics and minimal food. That should be her punishments. She will still be off than her daughter She will be out on MAXIMUM 9 years, probably far less. If she does 9 years, she will be around 27, her daughter would only have been 11. The woman will still have murdered her child. Where is the justice for Aisiah in that?

How can you compare rape for personal gratification or abusers to neglect.
Because the outcome for the victim can be as bad or worse

The woman will still have murdered her child. Where is the justice for Aisiah in that?

That’s what I find hard to stomach. We talk about rehabilitation, second chances, human rights etc for these vile killers. Like when a baby goes back to an abusive mother so she (the mother) can have a second chance. But what about the child’s rights in all of this? The right not to be abused, the right to life?!

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The woman will still have murdered her child. Where is the justice for Aisiah in that?

That’s what I find hard to stomach. We talk about rehabilitation, second chances, human rights etc for these vile killers. Like when a baby goes back to an abusive mother so she (the mother) can have a second chance. But what about the child’s rights in all of this? The right not to be abused, the right to life?!

I agree. It's so hard to come to terms with :( That poor child was let down by so many people, it's beyond tragic.

Because neglect is not always meeting the needs of someone. Leaving a defenceless toddler alone with no access to food, drink or sanitation for 6 days is beyond neglect.

@Handsoffstrikesagain

kana is spot on. Too many bleeding heart liberals falling over themselves to look for an excuse about why she did this. She’s a nasty selfish child neglecting monster. She ignored her daughters most basic human rights. You don’t need a nice upbringing or a degree to know you have to feed a child. And I will say it again, no one would be looking for a defence or explanations if this were a man.

Looking for explanations is exactly how you prevent these things happening again.

It’s all very well getting angry when there’s a dead child.

But what about getting angry before that point about the rise in children needing social care interventions, the under funding of the child social care sector and austerity?

Get angry earlier.

Am I missing something? Why are people suggesting that she may have been trafficked during those six days?

There are photos of her out partying. Also, she was trying to sell concert tickets a few hours after she got home and realized that her baby was dead! 5at doesn't sound at all like she was being trafficked?

It does sound like she has learning difficulties though.

@Iggly

I’ve specifically said that’s what I would like to see happen rather than looking for how the mother might have suffered. All this could have been avoided by appropriate measures being taken when it was discovered the child had been left alone at all.

@Gingernaut

Solihull case, this has been locally reported for months.

Birmingham Social Services, especially child protection services have been found lacking in the past.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-33081078

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/teen-who-left-baby-starve-21245062

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/party-mum-left-baby-home-20350082

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/family-teen-who-left-baby-20270804

www.communitycare.co.uk/2017/02/23/council-prioritised-guardianship-irrespective-circumstances-serious-case-review-finds/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-24365700

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/05/social-workers-missed-signs-to-save-toddler-stamped-to-death-by-mother

www.communitycare.co.uk/2013/08/01/serious-case-review-to-examine-failures-in-daniel-pelka-case/

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/charlie-dunn-death-stepfather-jailed-14062688

Children have been kept in the care of inadequates for decades, if not with the original parents, then with foster carers or extended family who were as bad as, if not worse than the parents.

My friend asked to be put in care when he was 11 couldn’t stand the physical abuse from his mum and step dad then went to foster carers who were mentally abusive and awful.

She was home for two hours before calling 999. I just can't get my head around her thought process. Of course she herself was vulnerable but I agree with pps that this doesn't fully explain things. She obviously had no bond at all with Asiah. So sad. She deliberately misled staff too about taking the baby with her so she knew they wouldn't check on her. Smacks of a deliberately act to me as awful as that is to imagine.

And the "bond" thing is also a bit of crap. Most people, even with no bond would still ensure that as a minimum a child was fed and watered and not sitting in a shitty nappy for days on end. Most young children would manage to do that without being told to regardless of their upbringing. Not to say that ultimately being left with a parent with no bond who went through the motions but nothing else would be a good thing, but it ranks well above what happened here.

I agree. It's so hard to come to terms with sad That poor child was let down by so many people, it's beyond tragic.

Yup. It feels like we place the child’s rights secondary to the abuser’s

@Handsoffstrikesagain

iggly I have posted time and time again providing possible explanations for certain crimes on previous threads. I completely understand how mental health can cause a person to do certain things. It’s not an excuse, as you say, it’s an explanation. But for this bitch, no explanation is needed. She’s just plain selfish. Everyman and their bloody dog knows you need to feed a child. It’s our most basic, primeval function to know about obtaining food and water for our young.

Your language is pretty disgusting when you don’t know the full facts of this case. Calling her a bitch? What? What she did was fucking unimaginable and disgusting. But it feels like you’re expressing more outrage now, than the level of outrage needed to try and effect change.