Nine years for starving a baby to death

[PropertyFlipper]

I’m struggling to see the justice here. This sorry specimen will be out in five years no doubt. Devastating.
Teen mother, 19, bursts into tears as she is jailed for nine years

She WAS out partying when the child died! There is plenty of evidence, why on earth would a serious case review be more detailed than a trial?

Quite.

@Conkergame
More money and SWers are needed.
Care support should continue to 23, allowing kids to actually access uni, it's one suggestion they could stay in halls but where are they meant to be over summer?

Closing care homes just isn't the answer. Too few Foster Carers and even less who would want to have troubled teens in their house. It's a different task taking on young children and babies to looking after 6ft tall 14 year old troubled boys.

Ensuring that abusers aren't allowed near kids is easier said than done.

Not sure why you think boarding schools are the answer, putting 100s of "looked after" children together would be a disaster. It would be no different to the massive children's homes of the past. Full of abuse and a magnet for abusers.

Small units max 5 kids , siblings kept together, staff who genuinely care, stop accepting that 14 year olds can go off with older men. Better laws to protect young kids in care from grooming.

But apparently not educated enough to understand the difference between excuses and explanations

Sufficiently educated to understand interpretation. You say explanation, I say attempt at justification.

As someone who had a child at 16 and lived in the exact same building she did! Staff were only present during the hours of 9-4 mon-fri, her not having a social worker isn't unusual as I lived there and didn't have any social services involvement! For most of us living there it was a stepping stone until we was 18 to be allowed to get a council home. We saw the support workers once a month for 10-20 meeting to make sure our bills were paid on time and we had no concerns. When I lived there police were constantly around due to domestic arguments between partners, drug taking in front of children and domestic incidents between other tenets. The flats were disgusting covered in damp and mould to the point I couldn't keep my clothes in the "wardrobe" as they went mouldy. I spent 9 months in the hell hole that is known as Gochers court and can honestly say it was the worst time of my life. The fact that this incident happened is vile but it does not surprise me it went unnoticed. Support workers would openly admit they knew children were around drugs and domestic abuse and nothing was ever done about it, there was no support from anyone!!

@Lockheart

We know what happened

No, we don't know what happened. The legal professionals involved and the jury do.

Posters on MN don't.

Judge Laing QC branded Kudi “deceitful and manipulative” and added: “You knew full well you should not be doing what you were doing. It is a particularly distressing aspect of this case that it is unlikely she would have cried for any time because she had learnt on many occasions there would have been no response.”

How on earth could she afford to party for six days?

@username723 it sounds like hell. And completely lacking in any support. Sorry you and other kids were forced to live like that.

@Comedycook that's another question.

Blossomtoes most of us can interpret this as Kudi was not mentally incapacitated. She knew exactly what she was doing for those six days. She was selfish, had no concern for her child's welfare. Others who are making excuses for her are just insulting the poor child who passed away.

@HarrisMcCoo

Blossomtoes most of us can interpret this as Kudi was not mentally incapacitated. She knew exactly what she was doing for those six days. She was selfish, had no concern for her child's welfare. Others who are making excuses for her are just insulting the poor child who passed away.

Precisely my point. That was the judge’s verdict. The judge who had access to all the information available.

@Handsoffstrikesagain

With the money the government give her to have a child.

I doubt her (roughly) £80 per week child benefit and child tax credit would have been stretched to nightclub/ eat/ drink/ travel round the country on trains for 6 days.

*Would have stretched

@Lockdownbear I meant spreading them around current boarding schools, not setting up new ones especially for kids in care. But appreciate I really don’t know enough about what’s needed.

I think small houses like the ones you describe would be ideal - again more money is needed and I would be happy for higher taxes to pay for that until the reduced prison budget meets the need.

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Which children? The babies living there with teen mums or the teen mums?

Were they all young girls pregnant were much older people there?

@Conkergame

Be careful of merely throwing ideas out there, as you would in a chat in real life. Some posters on here expect us all to become field experts and only proffer peer reviewed PhD level solutions.

The flat this girl was in is small and that wasn't enough and apparently mouldy.

We have a massive national issue with mould it's about time it was tackled across the the board.

It’s despicable. Regardless of her background she should have got a longer sentence.

What the hell was going on with Brighton and Hove Social Services? Where were they? Are Ofsted investigating? They have totally failed and that woman should never have been allowed to keep charge of her daughter.

That poor little girl; I can barely begin to imagine what she must have gone through. I can’t bear it.

I doubt her (roughly) £80 per week child benefit and child tax credit would have been stretched to nightclub/ eat/ drink/ travel round the country on trains for 6 days

Yes my thoughts entirely

@VestaTilley

It’s despicable. Regardless of her background she should have got a longer sentence.

What the hell was going on with Brighton and Hove Social Services? Where were they? Are Ofsted investigating? They have totally failed and that woman should never have been allowed to keep charge of her daughter.

That poor little girl; I can barely begin to imagine what she must have gone through. I can’t bear it.

I know.

I actually can’t express how upset I feel thinking of what gorgeous girl went through.

@Conkergame I just can't see where the money would come from to get these kids into private boarding schools.

Then once you've found the money Private schools will not tolerate the behaviour of many of these kids. Parents paying ££££ will not accept their kids education being disrupted by kids who have issues and don't want to listen. Normal schools barely tolerate it, many end up in social inclusion units. So I really can't see how boarding schools would be the answer.