Nine years for starving a baby to death

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I’m struggling to see the justice here. This sorry specimen will be out in five years no doubt. Devastating.
Teen mother, 19, bursts into tears as she is jailed for nine years

I'm still surprised that not one of the people she was with even asked where her child was or thought it odd she could leave for so long.
It's just more people to add to the list who let her down , or just didn't care.

We are talking about blame not support. The village can support but it isn't to blame!

Even if it failed to support?

@polkadotclouds it would never happen after the first time. The local authority like to give these kind of people multiple times to mess up.
I watched a documentary on YouTube about the hidden social worker, a boy who lived in absolute squalor with his parents, he had serious speech delay, his father was violent and aggressive.. They were given multiple chances before the child was placed in to Foster care. Multiple.

@3scape

It's the sort of situation where some might feel she should be made to experience the same as she inflicted. I mean, as so many are happy to convince themselves it's just naievety

Yes. Perhaps the prison staff should "forget" to bring her water or food for six days, and force her to wear a soiled nappy that whole time.

I know you mean well but the excuses beint made for this woman make me feel sick.

Plenty of people have abusive childhoods and leave home very young as a result. It absolutely does not explain this behaviour. If anything it makes people want to be better parents themselves, because the suffering of abuse is burned into your brain.

That poor baby. Sitting there dehydrating and starving in a soiled nappy, wondering where her mummy was gone and slowly realising that she wasn't coming back. She must have been absolutely terrified and in so much pain.

The only person in this situation who deserves sympathy is that poor child. Her mother is a monster.

This^
Sadly, plenty of people have abusive childhoods, but they don't kill babies. If anything it'd make you determined that your child wouldn't go through what you went through.

That poor baby, what must have been going through her mind in her final days doesn't bear thinking about. Can anyone imagine how long 6 days would feel to a tiny child that's starving and wondering where her mummy is? Must have felt like 6 months 💔

The vile 'mother' will do two thirds of her pathetically short sentence, be out in 6 years at 25 years old, with her whole life still ahead of her. How is that justice when she took away that little girl's chance.

@ExpressDelivery

The other thing would be a big expansion of fostering arrangements where the mother stays with the baby in a foster family and is supported and taught how to care for baby.

Obviously though all this costs money and in UK we don't vote to pay more taxes to support people who can't help themselves.

The real irony is that it costs a lot less than letting it all happen and then paying for those children as adults.. be it prison, mental health care, social work, benefits, actual health care (people with ACEs are more likely to be addicts and/or suffer from actual illnesses), when those children become parents themselves and the cycle continues,serious case reviews etc.

@the80sweregreat

I'm still surprised that not one of the people she was with even asked where her child was or thought it odd she could leave for so long. It's just more people to add to the list who let her down , or just didn't care.

Apparently she told her friends her mum was looking after the baby.

Its in the timeline posted upthread.

[quote Porcupineintherough]@Blossomtoes would you have such a problem with prison "not achieving much" if it was a man who killed a child by hitting or shaking them? Because death by starvation and thirst is a horrendous, horrendous death. That poor baby suffered terribly and she did so alone. 9 years is nothing compared to what that child went through - and the chances are her mum will be out and partying again in 4.

Will prison make her a better parent? Of course not, that's not what it's for.[/quote]
Exactly. That poor, poor baby. I don't usually cry and this has brought me to tears, thinking about how she must have suffered and how terrified she must have been, all alone. It is monstrous, there's no other way to describe it.

Of course they are given second chances in the vague hope things might improve.
They never do. It's so sad.
The cycle of abuse just goes on and on.

I agree, but you will be flamed for saying this. You've also written this better than I could have done.

I’m sorry but I agree too. No matter what you’ve been through, it’s absolutely no excuse to harm and kill an innocent young child. None.

The suffering that poor little girl endured is just unbearable and I can’t get beyond that. The same with Kaylee-Jayde and Stanley Davis.

Express delivery, this mum is a isn't want to stay at home ant learn how to patent though.

She wanted to go out and do everything other girls of her age where she doing.

She's left the child once I agree why risk a second time. Why did she have the baby.

Didn't want to stay with anyone and learn how to care, she wanted to be out and her child was the obstacle.

Yes, they should leave her for six days without any food and water and see how she gets on,
They won't though , as we apparently live in a ' civilized' society.

The vile 'mother' will do two thirds of her pathetically short sentence, be out in 6 years at 25 years old, with her whole life still ahead of her.

And no doubt she will go on to have more kids too, just like the other mothers of the tragic children mentioned in this thread.

This mother is a monster, I cannot think of any excuse or reasoning for her behaviour and I'm quite surprised at how much sympathy is given to her on this thread.

On other threads, a man can do the most minor of things and be called all sorts of names - but I feel like because she's a mother people are being kinder to her behaviour.

She's disgraceful and knew what she was doing. She wanted to pretend she was a doting mom and be carefree and single. She was being selfish.

Instead what she could have done is given the baby up for adoption but she didnt instead left her suffering for six days because she did not give a shit.

She also went for six days, never have I needed to celebrate my birthday for six days.

She is callous and a horrific child abusing murderer.

I don't care if I get flamed. How can you possibly justify what she did.
Quite simply she was a child herself and hadn't grown up enough to be a half decent mother. She wanted to behave like a teenager and not a mother and her daughters life was collateral damage.
No sympathy from me whatsoever. I'm a mother, a single parent. It's fucking hard. But I do it.. Because she deserves a good life and a good mother.
Her sentence is a joke. By the time she gets out she'll still have her life ahead of her and no doubt procreate again..
It's a disgrace.

Obviously names change agree.

All early intervention pay off massively more than then leaving things to be fester and go wrong.
That's for sen intervention in school also, many people who end up in prison can't read.

Unfortunately when there are no other aspirations on the horizon having children seems like the only thing " to do".

Oh I'm sure she will have more children. Of that I have no doubt at all.
It'll be covered up too , I suppose. People will say she has 'redeemed 'herself.
It's sick.

@bluewanda

The vile 'mother' will do two thirds of her pathetically short sentence, be out in 6 years at 25 years old, with her whole life still ahead of her.

And no doubt she will go on to have more kids too, just like the other mothers of the tragic children mentioned in this thread.

Exactly. I actually think sterilisation should be mandatory in these circumstances.

I don't care if it's invasion of human rights, you take away your own human rights when you take the life of others as far as I'm concerned.

No doubt she'll be given a full identity change when she's out too. Like Maxine Carr.

With the Stanley Davis case, having watched the BBC video I still can’t understand why the police didn’t insist on at least checking the child. A tiny defenceless baby in that volatile flat stinking of drugs - how could they just leave him there?! He didn’t stand a chance

@Pebbledashery

No doubt she'll be given a full identity change when she's out too. Like Maxine Carr.

Yes.

This is the video I’m talking about:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-48962296

And no doubt she will go on to have more kids too, just like the other mothers of the tragic children mentioned in this thread.

Yes I've no doubt about that at all, because in our pathetic system 'everyone deserves a second chance'. But where do you draw the line? I agree that most people do deserve a second chance. NOT these people. If you've been convicted of murder/ manslaughter/ causing or allowing the death of a child, you should be prevented from having more, no two ways about it.

Yes I've no doubt about that at all, because in our pathetic system 'everyone deserves a second chance'.

Yes - everyone except the victims, apparently.