Cruelty to children

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I’ve just read the absolutely tragic story of Kaylee-Jayde Priest. I’ve just been crying my eyes out this evening over the loss of her very short life. She has hair just like my daughter,

I’d really like some recommendations on charities and organisations that try to make a real difference in cases such as these, so that I may make a donation etc.

Rest in peace little girl, I hope you will find the kindness, love and compassion you so deserve in heaven.

Thank you

My poor dh was horrifically abused as a child. He was hit with wooden spoons so hard they shattered, smacked, punched, slapped. If she could hurt him she did.

She even strangled him once till he almost lost conscious because dh’s brother broke a door but dh was 10 years younger than all of his siblings so was easier to pick on

We are NC with MIL, but she still randomly turns up in the hope of getting access to my dc.

She doesn’t. The last time she came, my dh laid out everything she did to him. At first she tried to deny it but as it went on she started to look at the ground and refused to make eye contact.

She walked away sobbing. Not because she was guilty of what she did, or the fact she was called out. But because we still wouldn’t let her see our kids.

You're showing a huge lack of understanding of how the justice system works. Defence barristers are there to test the prosecution and ensure that the charges brought are correct in law. They are not there to get their client off the hook no matter what.

@Lockheart How is arguing that little girl sustained multiple injuries from "rough and tumble play" (quite clearly absolute rubbish) ensuring the charges brought are correct in law?

@bluewanda

Because law has to be passed properly through parliament and shouldn't be brought about by knee jerk emotional reactions.

@Lockheart do you think 9-10 years is an adequate sentence for killing a child?

It depends on the circumstances. It can be, certainly. But it isn't always.

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You're showing a huge lack of understanding of how the justice system works. Defence barristers are there to test the prosecution and ensure that the charges brought are correct in law. They are not there to get their client off the hook no matter what.

@Lockheart How is arguing that little girl sustained multiple injuries from "rough and tumble play" (quite clearly absolute rubbish) ensuring the charges brought are correct in law?

Because it ensures that the injuries sustained can be demonstrably shown to have been inflicted by the person on trial.

Saying something is "absolute rubbish" is not rigourous prosecution.

The prosecution would have to demonstrate that those injuries were caused by the defendant.

Hence the defences argument.

It depends on the circumstances. It can be, certainly. But it isn't always.

@Lockheart what about in Kaylee's case? Those monsters who inflicted such cruelty and took her life should be locked up forever IMO.

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You're showing a huge lack of understanding of how the justice system works. Defence barristers are there to test the prosecution and ensure that the charges brought are correct in law. They are not there to get their client off the hook no matter what.

@Lockheart How is arguing that little girl sustained multiple injuries from "rough and tumble play" (quite clearly absolute rubbish) ensuring the charges brought are correct in law?

Because 1.the prosecution must prove the injuries were no accidental and caused by someone(the defendants)

1. Part of being a defence lawyer, even if you just do the bare minimum and abhor your clients and think they're guilty as hell, is coming up with a defence/alternative scenario. Anything else would be not doing their job and could even mean being fired and losing their licence to practice.

Good post @ObviousNameChage - I think people forget justice is not just about getting 'the bad guys' but ensuring all parties have a fair chance to fight.

@bluewanda

It depends on the circumstances. It can be, certainly. But it isn't always.

@Lockheart what about in Kaylee's case? Those monsters who inflicted such cruelty and took her life should be locked up forever IMO.

On the face of the media reporting, it does not seem so, but I would like to read the judges sentencing remarks. Do you have a link?

but ensuring all parties have a fair chance to fight.

I couldn't give less of a shit about giving those monsters a 'fair chance to fight', but if it's what's needed to send them down for as long as possible then so be it.

On the face of the media reporting, it does not seem so, but I would like to read the judges sentencing remarks. Do you have a link?

@Lockheart I don't think they've been sentenced yet have they? It is scheduled for today but I haven't seen anything in the papers as of yet.

WRT volunteering with disengaged youth or children at risk, I would say don't worry about not being from the same background. Smart, tough kids can generally differentiate if you mean well. When I did outreach I was often teased for being soppy and naive but I know they enjoyed trying out new stuff with me and felt very safe with me.

I had some difficult days but I have lovely memories of doing things like taking the girls to art galleries or to get their provisional driving licences at the post office. Helping with homework or driving them to school.

Topics like secrets, borrowing things and money need to be addressed firmly at the first meeting and you never compromise ever. You could get in a world of trouble.

I'd love to get back into that work. I do HE now but I loved outreach.

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but ensuring all parties have a fair chance to fight.

I couldn't give less of a shit about giving those monsters a 'fair chance to fight', but if it's what's needed to send them down for as long as possible then so be it.

And if they are falsely accused?

If you or your family are falsely accused?

Fuck it right? They're monsters, who needs a trial.

Don't be daft. The state taking away someone's liberty and imprisoning them is a very serious thing and it is right that it is always, ALWAYS, rigourously tested.

@Lockheart false accused? They've been found guilty of killing a child!

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I think you are just being stupid now.

In the court of law, everyone is entitled to a defence.. this is just basic basic basic law.

[quote lllllllllll]@Lockheart false accused? They've been found guilty of killing a child![/quote]
Yes, they have. But that's not what you said.

You said they shouldn't have been entitled to a defence. I am saying everyone is entitled to a defence for reasons I have previously outlined.

You said you couldn't care less about giving these monsters a fair chance to fight - before they are convicted.

15 years for the mother, 14 for the boyfriend:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9869365/Mother-23-jailed-killing-daughter-3-way-wanted-sex.html

'Kaylee was sick more than once during the night as a result of the severe beating. You lost your tempers and it is clear you were joint participants in that assault. You both knew you had seriously injured Kaylee.

'You, Priest did nothing to seek medical help. A prompt call could have saved Kaylee's life. You both lied repeatedly during interviews.

'From the severity of the injuries caused by the assault it is clear there was an intention to cause serious harm. The injuries were caused by a ferocious assault.

'You and Redfern were equally responsible. You had ample opportunity to raise any concerns. Kaylee was very vulnerable and you were in a position of trust. You did nothing to summon help.'

Justice has not been done in my eyes because by sentencing them to 14/15 years, we're saying that little girl's life is only worth 15 years of theirs. They should have been locked up for the rest of their lives in my opinion.

However, at least it's a relatively harsh sentence by British justice standards.

That poor, poor little girl and how she must have suffered. This case will haunt me forever.

14 and 15 years is nothing

Not for someone who murdered an innocent child

Should have been longer. They could get out earlier on good behaviour and go to have more children.

Not long enough

@Soubriquet the judge's comments are so harrowing

I'm still struggling to understand how this doesn't constitute murder.

That video of little Kaylee being ignored while her mum twats around with her phone

I notice this all the time now. Mums at bus stops or in waiting areas, just staring at the 'rectangle of doom' i.e. the phone. I'm so glad that when I had a baby there was no such option really. Mobile data cost a fortune and wasn't so good. Typically, boring down time with my son would be a nice opportunity to fuss him and chat about our environment.

I can't say I wouldn't have done that, had it been an option. Early motherhood is challenging and can be lonely. Its really bad though and babies need constant feedback to develop properly and for bonding. Kaylee's mum is literally in her own fake world, she's stomping around like she's in a sexy music video or something. its horrifying. No wonder she could compartmentalise her life and abuse her daughter. She's mad.

Please add Asiah to that, Verphy Kudi has just been jailed for nine years after Asiah died.

Nine years🤬 beggars belief it really does. She left her one year old home alone for 6 days to go to birthday parties like she was young free and single and gets nine years, another pathetically lenient sentence. Sentencing guidelines for manslaughter are anything between 2 years and life. What kind of person thinks 9 years is long enough for someone who left a BABY to starve to death? That poor girls last days would have been so torturous it doesn't bear thinking about
Some of these judges really are reprehensible.

@Lockheart
Don't be daft. The state taking away someone's liberty and imprisoning them is a very serious thing and it is right that it is always, ALWAYS, rigourously tested.

I couldn't agree more with this but you don't seem to have much empathy at all. 9 years is not a great sentence for someone who went out partying for 6 days whilst their one year old daughter's home alone frightened and starving to death. This vile individual will be out in 4 or 5 years, do you honestly^ think that's a 'great' outcome?

I’m still struggling to understand how this doesn't constitute murder.

^Yep, I really don’t understand why they weren’t convicted of murder.