To ask why people this Laurel the weightlifter will win?

[PollyPopa]

She's biologically male obviously but also hasn't got as good a personal best as some of the other (biologically female) competitors

Just wondering, that's all! I don't agree she should be in that competition either by the way but nothing to say she will win since her personal best isn't as great as some of the others

Not sure how this person can look themselves in the mirror. Imagine going through life with such a fundamental lack of integrity.

@VladmirsPoutine

Not saying the criteria are correct but I think the anger should be directed at the people who have decided the criteria

So you think the IOC just woke up one morning, gathered to have a meeting and decided amongst themselves with no external influence what the rules should be

This!! I don’t think ppl really get how hard that TRA have pushed behind the scenes for this and for all the other ‘gains’ they’ve made eg that crimes are not recorded by the sex of the perpetrator but by their self declared gender

One study of 8 TW delivered to a committee entirely comprised of men was only the final push of a long term campaign

I would encourage anybody unsure about this issue or interested in it to look at Ross Tucker’s Twitter on this. He gets the issue completely and I don’t see how anyone can disagree with the points he makes about the differences between male and female sport. People then resort to “but inclusiveness “ but inclusive to who exactly?

@clickychicky - no, there are no regulations requiring any transition other than a drop in testosterone level to a level that is higher than biological females anyway.

There are photos of LH that make it abundantly clear LH has not had any form of surgery and retains full male genitalia. LH does have long hair though.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/trans-olympic-athletes-no-longer-need-surgery-hormones-still-required-2021-6%3famp

Winner = white male
Losers = women everywhere

Also, including someone in a competition means excluding someone else. In this case a woman. Second best, lower than a man.

@TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross

You have to wonder how meaningful winning under those circumstances would be anyway? “Hey, look, I won a gold medal in an event which focuses on physical strength. And I, a biological male, beat all these women to do so!”

And you WON? No shit, Sherlock. I mean it’s not as if Laurel will have achieved anything in that scenario, is it?

I have an English degree and have been teaching the subject for over twenty years. If I identify as an English student so I can sit the GCSE exam with my students and then be proud of myself for getting the best mark, what kind of self-delusional fool would I look?

This nonsense should be stopped.

Perfectly summed up!!

The poor woman that lost the chance to participate in the Olympic. Must be watching it thinking WTAF….

Oh! I assumed they needed to have made some sort of irreversible commitment to being a woman

Hubbard had already won gold at the Pacific Games I think? Unlikely to win Olympic gold at 43 and presumably already in physical decline. Which , I suppose, shows what an unfair advantage he has to even have qualified.

@Vanishun

Somewhere out there, an actual woman who has probably trained relentlessly hard for years (without any benefits of testosterone etc) has lost out on her chance.

That's not okay. It's cheating and it's shit behaviour in the name of validating someone's feelings about themselves.

This.

Not sure how I feel about it now. Thanks for educating.

There is a trans man competing at the Olympics. Rebecca Quinn (born female) is a footballer - and is competing in the Canadian women's team. So go figure what the IOC rules are on trans competitors.

@clickychicky

Oh! I assumed they needed to have made some sort of irreversible commitment to being a woman

Oh they do, they often wear pink trainers.

I was going to say about the pink trainers! was that Lh as well? I seem to recall pink trainers and hair in pigtails.

because that makes all the difference obviously. Step down you women with your notions of testosterone and male puberty. There are pink trainers at play.

There should be separate trans categories.

The same way there is separate disability categories.

Sport should be available to all but it should be a level playing field at major elite level or it takes the point out of it.

By allowing this we risk the future of whole trans teams in woman's rugby etc.

@misscockerspaniel

There is a trans man competing at the Olympics. Rebecca Quinn (born female) is a footballer - and is competing in the Canadian women's team. So go figure what the IOC rules are on trans competitors.

Quinn came out as non binary. Yet still identifies as enough of a woman to play for a professional women's team and the Canadian women's team.

@itsgettingwierd

There should be separate trans categories.

The same way there is separate disability categories.

Sport should be available to all but it should be a level playing field at major elite level or it takes the point out of it.

By allowing this we risk the future of whole trans teams in woman's rugby etc.

Someone pointed out yesterday that if LH was competing in the men's competition they would be competing in a weight class that doesn't exist for women weightlifters.

@misscockerspaniel

There is a trans man competing at the Olympics. Rebecca Quinn (born female) is a footballer - and is competing in the Canadian women's team. So go figure what the IOC rules are on trans competitors.

They are competing as their biological sex rather than gender though.

No idea whether Quinn is on hormones or not yet. I guess that would be unfair too. But there are no restrictions on transmen in men's sports. Because there doesn't need to be, a biological woman won't beat a biological man in the top leagues of sport.

At this Olympics the current crop of trans athletes are competing in non contact sports but this is opening the door for biological men to compete in womens boxing, karate and taekwondo in 3 years time. Maybe it will take the sight of a biological man kicking the s**t out of a woman to wake people up.

@clickychicky

Oh! I assumed they needed to have made some sort of irreversible commitment to being a woman

I think that’s the thing Clicky. I think most people 100% assume this too. That any TW competing would be on significant medication & most probably have had surgery but it’s not the case. LH allowed testosterone level is way above the level permitted for women

Well Fallon Fox breaking a woman's skull woke nobody up.

@misscockerspaniel

There is a trans man competing at the Olympics. Rebecca Quinn (born female) is a footballer - and is competing in the Canadian women's team. So go figure what the IOC rules are on trans competitors.

Because Rebecca knows they would never be able to compete at that level with male competitor's! Rebecca doesn't have the luxury of testosterone, and even if living completely "male" would still not be allowed to take testosterone to put themselves on an even playing field.

Women lose both ways!

@mamaoffourdc

It's not cheating though - regardless of your views - she has met all the rules/restrictions that the IOC have put in place Your anger needs to be at the IOC not her!

The IoC has an oath about fairness.

The IoC are wrong. But so is a male who takes the oath and then competes in a woman's class and takes a place from a woman because they aren't good enough to compete in a male class.

All the way through its men riding rough shot over women in the name of inclusion.

Its not inclusion. Its legitimising exclusion.

It's not cheating though - regardless of your views - she has met all the rules/restrictions that the IOC have put in place

Your anger needs to be at the IOC not her!

Exactly. You can froth all you like but she is at the Olympics and no amount of these tedious threads is going to change that!