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DH arthritis or laziness

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gentle389 · 28/07/2021 20:38

DH has very bad rheumatoid arthritis, his knees are at risk of collapsing and within the next year will have to have a knee operation. DH whenever he wants a drink will always ask DS who is 21, for example can you make me a cup of tea/coffee, get me some peanuts. Often when DS comes downstairs the very first thing DH will say can you get me something. The reason why he asks DS is I sometimes am not as willing to do something, I've said sometimes to him why don't you get up get it yourself, DH very rarely makes a cup of tea, DH will respond saying why I'm being nasty and don't you know how much I'm pain in. I work 12 hour shifts in factory so I've mentioned how my legs and back are aching too and Dh has responded saying it's nowhere near as bad as having arthritis and I'd like to see you have this pain 24/7.

I definitely am guilty of sometimes not realizing how painful it can be to have arthritis but I don't know whether DH is capable of doing a bit more or whether I'm being unreasonable and and not understanding how much pain DH is in.

OP posts:
NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/07/2021 11:21

[quote Iris2020]@minatrina Actually staying active and mobile despite tiredness is a medical recommendation for people in RA, although that doesn't always mean putting pressure on any particularly vulnerable joints.
It is thought that inactivity in arthritis actually exacerbates the fatigue.[/quote]
The lack of any useful disease modifying medication is more of a problem than the lack of a quick jog around the block. It's akin to leaving a moorland fire burning for years without anything more than the occasional bucket of water chucked over 1000 square miles.

The OP's DH's is in excruciating pain because he is at the point of bone grinding on bone. Which will affect his sleep, his sitting, his walking, his getting up, his washing, his dressing, everything. In addition to that, uncontrolled inflammation has its own negative effect upon mood completely separate to that of being in constant pain only varying in intensity and exhaustion. There's also the consideration whether it just affects his knees (unlikely as it's a systemic disease) or whether they're just the most serious and taking most the attention. I've spent months on end being unable to hold a mug of tea - not just lift it, but actually get my hands round it and apply enough pressure to the sides that it doesn't just slip through and dump a hot drink over my lap. If his grip strength is poor due to pain and swelling, he can't make his own tea, he can't open his own biscuits, chances are that wiping his own arse and flushing the toilet is painful and exhausting. And he probably craves some reassurance that somebody cares about him.

Since I've been on a different biologic for my PsA, my pain is at the 5-6 out of 10 mark, other than the particularly buggered bits. It's fucking amazing. I can't remember the last time I had that little pain. I can't remember the last time I slept for four hours in one go before starting this - still took about 8 months of injections plus some steroid pulses, but I can actually sleep and dream now.

I do exercise - I like it. I like the pain of sore muscles distracting me from the pain in my hip/foot/ankle/shoulder/hand/knee/back/pelvis/elbow/neck. I like getting a bit of an endorphin rush in exchange for some more pain, rather than just pain with no buzz. I like being so exhausted physically that I go to sleep for three hours within half an hour of going to bed, rather than being awake until 4.30am and then waking up in pain after about an hour.

But I couldn't have done any of it without the effective medication reducing my pain to a level where the only painkiller I'm not allergic to or I can get prescribed without the risk of sudden policy changes meaning I have to go cold turkey on - paracetamol - takes the edge off it.

OP, does your DH have a good consultant or one that just likes shoving needles into joints? Has he been put on biologics (you get two tries on the NHS and then it's tough luck, usually)? Has he had access to hydrotherapy or at least the chance to get into a swimming pool to have the feeling of water supporting him and cooling the other joints? Has he had access to a pain consultant so that he isn't stuck waiting for joint replacements with nothing more than a 29p pack of meds designed for moderate pain? Do you have a mattress that supports his weight without causing pressure on his joints? A wetroom? Orthotics to try and keep his legs straight and good running shoes to cushion and support him? A memory foam cushion for him when sitting down, a raised chair so there isn't so much pressure put on his knees when he gets up?

People can and do self harm when in that level of pain. It's not like doing a 14 hour shift on your feet. It never goes away. You never feel rested. If you open your eyes in the morning and don't feel pain immediately, you half wonder whether you are dead or have become paraplegic overnight. And somebody who should know what you are going through says 'well, I'm a bit tired and my feet hurt, too'. It's completely different.

It's absolutely the arthritis. If something could be done to reduce his pain, he'd change overnight - I had it affecting my sacroiliac joint for 9 months and I was snappy and irritable and working like hard not to cry each time I moved; the moment it shifted and freed off after the medications began to work and reduced the inflammation, it was like a switch flipped. Because I wasn't in acute pain as well as chronic - and DP apologised for being grumpy with me because he realised that the instant change in me meant I had been in far more pain than he had thought.

Your DH is in both acute and chronic severe pain. It's not laziness, it's the literal agony of not having effective treatment.

BelterDelta · 29/07/2021 11:27

What was your DH like before he got ill? Did he expect you to wait on him?

I ask because I have a multitude of hidden illnesses/disabilities (3 of which are different types of arthritis) and having them has changed my goals, my character. People don’t recognise me now, personality-wise.

It’s horrible having to accept and ask for help if it’s not in your nature so if he didn’t ask for help before, please take this into consideration.

My DH reminds me every so often that even he has a breaking point. And he’s an angel.

CounsellorTroi · 29/07/2021 11:39

Rheumatoid arthritis is an inflammatory disease that makes you feel crap all round, not just pain in your joints.

A couple of years ago I had a bout of reactive arthritis, affecting my knees and ankles mostly,. Lasted about 8 months and it was awful. I was lucky to have a loving DH to help me get through it. It did clear eventually though my knees have never been quite the same since in terms of mobility.

gentle389 · 29/07/2021 11:57

I do worry about DS getting RA one day, I don't know how common it is to get passed down genetically but isn't it more common to get it if a family member has it.

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RightYesButNo · 29/07/2021 11:57

Can I ask, if DH’s knees are at risk of collapse, how does he get to and from work? Does someone drive him there? And once he’s there, how does he avoid getting up? Does he use a wheelchair outside the house and at his job? Because otherwise… he must be in a tremendous amount of pain and exhausted after work. Maybe he’s using all his energy for work and then just feeling like he’s “done” when he gets home. Only you know, OP. Have the doctors talked to him about how much he needs to move or stay still (for the health of his other joints), until the operation? But I’m with everyone else that maybe this could just be helped by setting up a table next to wherever he is with snacks, tea thermos, etc. It’ll have to be sorted before his surgery, and as the years move forward and he still has arthritis.

He may also just feel that he’s “stuck” in a chair and left out of family life, and that’s why he keeps calling DS to him. The psychology if being in pain is a weird thing. I deal with it every day and I don’t even understand myself sometimes.

gentle389 · 29/07/2021 12:06

He drives, he has days when he feels ok in terms of his pain and some days where he feels in agony, a lot of times his bad days with pain come if he overdoes it with activities. In terms of sitting down and getting up he just does it, he does need help getting up if he decides to lay out on a sun longer for example, he would struggle to get himself up on his own then.

DH has a walking crutch which he uses if he is walking any long distance or all the time if he's having a bad day.

OP posts:
Abraxan · 29/07/2021 14:23

[quote Iris2020]@minatrina Actually staying active and mobile despite tiredness is a medical recommendation for people in RA, although that doesn't always mean putting pressure on any particularly vulnerable joints.
It is thought that inactivity in arthritis actually exacerbates the fatigue.[/quote]
When you have an active flare up or active issues then you are often advised not to be too mobile and to not do anything that will make it worse. Active flare ups increase fatigue, not from just doing nothing.

I have an active flare up right now. Luckily this time it's in my elbow, which radiates up to my shoulder blade and top of my chest and down to my wrist and hands, causing pins and needles in my fingers. other times it can be my knees and ankles which have a greater impact.

My consultant says to keep it rested and avoid using it unnecessarily or for too long a time. My fatigue is dreadful, the pain in my elbow is constant and is much much worse at the end of the day. Fortunately it's my non dominant arm this time.

There is a huge difference between recommended gentle exercises for a joint that is in active flare up and pain and just being active and trying to ignore the pain. The former is good; the latter can cause more damage.

I have a mix of cocodamol and diclofenac, with morphine at times. Consultant won't give any more steroids at the moment. That mix dulls the pain (doesn't take it away) but the cocodamol and morphine can make it hard for me to do other stuff as they can make me sleepy or a bit 'slow.'

It's also really difficult to get hold of rheumatology at my hospital. Their system is a nightmare and last time it took me over a fortnight to speak to someone. It's not just a case of speaking to someone and asking them to give you different tablets. It took over a year of asking for them to change one of my meds to injection rather than tablets as they were making me physically sick.

There are some days when my mood is dreadfully low. I wouldn't say anything to Dd, or to an extent dh. And fortunately I've never reached the kind of low the op's dh seems to have reached.

I think a lot of people really don't have any idea what living with chronic pain day in day out is actually think fatigue is like being a bit tired. It really isn't.

Abraxan · 29/07/2021 14:29

Re asking others to do things

I agree that asking every half an hour is too much to expect.

Would he be up for someone making him a flask of tea/coffee and a snack tub or similar next to him for the evening?

On a really bad flare up when I struggled to even move from bed, dh and Dd did bring me drinks (not that regularly like op's dh) but when they weren't around dh made me a hot flask and a bottle of water, and Dd made me a snack/lunch tray which was really handy.

SteppinOutwithMyBaby · 30/07/2021 07:26

@gentle389 my RA is quite severe and there is no genetic link. However, I did smoke and apparently this is an enormous cause of RA for numbers of people. Unfortunately, you probably never hear about smoking causing rheumatoid arthritis until you have actually developed it, and don't know about it until it's too late. 20/20 hindsight is cheap.

Anyway, it's a good reason to discourage your son from ever smoking.

Porcupineintherough · 30/07/2021 07:58

Having seen RA change my active, independent MiL into a totally dependent and sedentary version of her previously always-on-the-go self over the passed few years I have to say (gently) that YABU.

That said you need to take care of yourself also and this probably does mean your ds helping out s bit more at home than he'd like. That's ok - just make sure the reality of the situation is explained to him and make sure he knows his efforts are appreciated. And get him helping with the cooking/cleaning/laundry so he helps take some weight off you.

Meraas · 30/07/2021 08:03

I find it worrying that no one is picking up the bit that DH is often nasty to his wife and son.

The RA doesn’t give him an excuse to be nasty and instead OP has probably left the thread thinking she deserves the nasty behaviour. Well done all.

Porcupineintherough · 30/07/2021 08:08

Chronic pain is actually a reason for short temper and snappishness Meeras , very few people find their mood unaffected by it - its exhausting. And of course the OP doesnt deserve it, who is suggesting that she might?

Meraas · 30/07/2021 08:39

The very fact that people are defending his nasty behaviour because of his illness suggests that it's ok and OP should put up with it.

I think it's important that OP also hear she doesn't have to live with someone who is nasty to her, regardless of his illness.

Cuddlyrottweiler · 30/07/2021 09:03

Honestly I think he's taking the piss abit. Yes he's in pain, obviously. But if he's asking for someone to go get him something every 20-30minutes then that's a bit selfish. You might not be in as much pain as him but he's pretty much written off how you and your son feel entirely. I think a thermos and snack bag are the way to go. He could even do this himself when he is up anyway, he must move at some point in the day and could grab himself supplies

minatrina · 30/07/2021 09:10

@Meraas no one's excusing it. We're explaining the reason, and that it's not a natural part of her husband's character, and if he wasn't in constant pain he may well be in a more cheery mood. Most posters have suggested ways to improve the situation by lifestyle adjustments, therapy, and some posters have even given advise about treatment options that OP's husband may have not explored. No one has said that OP shouldn't address her husband snapping at her son about the racking (for the record, I have no clue what racking is either so I'd be with her son on that one Smile). No one has said that OP and her husband shouldn't find something more workable than regular 30 minute requests.

Have you never done or said things you regret whilst tired, or after a bad day at work? Did people forgive you, understanding that you had a reason to be in a worse mood than usual? Or is it just ill people that you expect to display perfect temperament at all times?

Christ, if I took it seriously every time my husband gets a bit moody when he's hungry, we'd have been divorced before the end of our honeymoon.

What exactly do you want from posters on this thread? Do you want us to chastise an ill man for the crime of not being on top conversational form whilst experiencing constant pain and exhaustion? Do you not think it more productive to help OP to find a way forward with her husband who she loves to find a way to live happier together?

Meraas · 30/07/2021 09:23

'Explaining' sounds very much like advocating reasoning with an abuser.

Have you never done or said things you regret whilst tired, or after a bad day at work? Did people forgive you, understanding that you had a reason to be in a worse mood than usual? Or is it just ill people that you expect to display perfect temperament at all times?

I think most women post on MN when they're at the end of their tether, as a last resort. I do think the tone of the thread may encourage an OP from opening up about what she is going through.

Of course we all get in a mood but this sounds more than that. And no, as a carer for a disabled person, I do not expect ill people to display perfect temperament.

minatrina · 30/07/2021 09:33

Oh Jesus Christ. What a ridiculous statement. I don't even know how to respond to that. I'm advocating for abuse because I think that OP and her husband can work through the fact that, in OPs, own words, sometimes he verbally snaps when he's having a particularly bad day.

You do find some sorts on Mumsnet, don't you!

Clydesider · 30/07/2021 09:58

Thank goodness my husband isn't like you! You are being very cold and unsupportive. Pain which is never ending and has a serious effect on mobility is very different to a few aches & pains after a long day.

It's awful to feel reliant on other people to do even the smallest things for you. Please be more sympathetic.

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