NHS Pay award

[Thedogscollar]

So this is what they have come back with from the insulting 1% offer by increasing it to a paltry 3%.
Workers are leaving in their droves we have a massive deficit in nursing and midwifery which is worsening daily.

I work in the South East of England, we are hugely affected with shortages in staffing, virtually every 12.5 hrs shift I do we cannot have a break due to work acuity and lack of staff. We have junior staff in tears with the pressure put upon them.
We aren't paid for our break and we are hard pushed to get it back as time owing. We cover empty shifts on the bank over and above our contracted hours as we know how hard it is for our colleagues in there.
We are all reaching breaking point some are there now and gone off sick. It is exhausting physically but more so mentally as you know before you even get to work what it's going to be like.

I have payslips going back 10 plus years and in that time my salary has barely changed and I am at the top of my band.

Our management team held an urgent meeting the other day to discuss the crisis going on within our trust with staffing and work acuity. Nothing was really dealt with just more management speak.

This government has to look after the NHS staff that have given so much and still are. Staff retention is in crisis and by offering this paltry pay rise they are doing nothing to stop this disaster becoming a momentous catastrophe resulting in even worsening patient safety levels being eroded even more.

How on earth can this government justify 30 plus billions for track n trace and HSS yet not offer a decent pay rise to NHS workers and in that I include care workers too.

Boris and co should hang their heads in shame but as per they think they are doing so well in offering us anything.

I'm sure I will have people coming on now to say they have lost jobs and taken paycuts and for that I am truly sorry but this cannot be used as an arguement for a huge group of essential workers being financially and emotionally abused by their employer which is exactly what this government are doing.

Noterook then you’re lucky. In our city parking is exorbitant and in very short supply.

Also, I’ve worked in NHS and I’m now in the private sector (not nursing, but a different scientific field). The pay & benefits in NHS are already better than the private sector for science grads. Most people I work with (in this job & previous ones), who have a BSc or MSc could only dream of earning NHS wages.

I’m honestly not sure where this idea that the NHS is badly paid comparatively has come from. I’m not saying “I don’t earn that much so they shouldn’t either”, I’m just wondering why people think it’s badly paid.

@Tw1rlz

Noterook then you’re lucky. In our city parking is exorbitant and in very short supply.

Not really, it's not overly unusual. Don't you think though well I have to so should you is a bit pathetic anyway?

I've worked throughout the pandemic, making sure people's children get their degrees. We're getting a pay freeze for three years and my university is not the only one doing that. I've just had to sign an ammendment to my contract saying I accept the pay freeze if I don't my contract will be terminated.

So no whilst the NHS has worked throughout so have the rest of us.

No I think “ I work in the NHS so free parking is a right” is a tad greedy and self entitled when many up and down the country don’t have free work parking, a fraction of the pension or the salary.

Or the job security.

An extra £1000 a month would mean nurses are already on £33,000 a month or £400,000 a year. Hmmm ….anything strike you as a little odd with this BBC report when you read it?

@ChainJane

3% seems pretty generous to me considering many people in the private sector are getting nothing at all. The BBC report I read said the average nurse would be getting an extra thousand a month because of it.

NHS staff are in the fortunate position that their jobs are never going to be made redundant, a comfort few employees have these days.

If worked out to be an extra £1000 a year not a month! 3% is nothing for all the NHS staff (not just nurses) have had to put up with the past 18 months.

@Tw1rlz

No I think “ I work in the NHS so free parking is a right” is a tad greedy and self entitled when many up and down the country don’t have free work parking, a fraction of the pension or the salary.

Yes!

We also don't hear from the thousands who shielded for a year on full pay who then returned and carried all their holiday allowance over so are actually off most of this year too while thier exhausted colleagues carry on doing the work. If I'd have been a shielding nhs employee unable to do patient care despite the provision of full ppe I'd have at least asked if I could have done some wfh. Audit, updating risk assessments, updating policies and procedures. Something.

The nhs looks after its staff, 3% pay rise is absolute satisfactory.

And actually I would respect NHS workers a little more if they thought of the population as a whole. Teenagers and children have struggled hugely during this pandemic. The NHS provision is appalling. Instead of free parking and an even bigger pay rise which would be ludicrous compared to everybody else I’d like to see tax payers money going to those and areas that really need it which will in turn eventually ease pressure on the NHS.

@Tw1rlz

£82 000 to £110 000 compared £12 000 and you think the worker on the former deserves free parking whereas the latter can just suck it up. Have you paid for parking in a city centre recently. Try paying that for a full working day 5 days a week.

I wonder in how many other jobs people save lives literally every day🤔

When people were clapping on their doorsteps Dh and I rolled our eyes. Why? Because we knew the vicious backlash would come sooner or later. We knew it would soon be back to the old bollocks of “you’ve got it cushty stop moaning”
We knew the gratitude would soon disappear and the sacrifices (including staff losing their lives), would soon be forgotten.

This thread has become a fine example. Well as I said earlier, don’t get sick….

We also don't hear from the thousands who shielded for a year on full pay who then returned and carried all their holiday allowance over so are actually off most of this year too while thier exhausted colleagues carry on doing the work. If I'd have been a shielding nhs employee unable to do patient care despite the provision of full ppe I'd have at least asked if I could have done some wfh.

Our shielding staff unable to WFH (in their own role or another) were not allowed to carry any leave over. They knew they could be called on to undertake work at any time and were required to check in with managers regularly.

Shielding staff who did work from home were only allowed to carry over leave if it was absolutely impossible for them to take it all due to work demands. (Same as those staff in work.)

@Tw1rlz

And actually I would respect NHS workers a little more if they thought of the population as a whole. Teenagers and children have struggled hugely during this pandemic. The NHS provision is appalling. Instead of free parking and an even bigger pay rise which would be ludicrous compared to everybody else I’d like to see tax payers money going to those and areas that really need it which will in turn eventually ease pressure on the NHS.

How will these services run without staff? You can buy all of the buildings and equipment for shiny new services and extra provision for things, fuck all point if no one wants to work in them. CAHMS services struggle to recruit enough staff, expanding isn't an option without someone addressing the issues as to why they cannot retain people. Glad to hear though as you think it's such an amazing career you'll be joining them :)

So no whilst the NHS has worked throughout so have the rest of us
How can you compare working in the comfort of your home, via zoom, not having to worry that you could catch covid and potentially die from working compare to staff who went to work every day knowing that there had more change to catch than not, and reading every day that yet another frontline health worker had died from it..

Some people are really stuck in their own bubble of resentment making such ridiculous comparisons.

Sorry I’m not getting the saving lives = god like status on a higher plane to everybody else. It is a job you are trained and paid to do. It’s such an arrogant attitude.Others in direct contact to the public have lost lives. Many many other jobs are just as worthy of our appreciation- cleaners, bin men, shop workers, teachers, TAs …..Unless you work on a Covid ward you’re at no risk to anybody else in direct contact with the public. Probably less given how stringent the testing is to get into hospital and how many face to face contact appointments are still not being done.

@vivainsomnia

So no whilst the NHS has worked throughout so have the rest of us How can you compare working in the comfort of your home, via zoom, not having to worry that you could catch covid and potentially die from working compare to staff who went to work every day knowing that there had more change to catch than not, and reading every day that yet another frontline health worker had died from it..

Some people are really stuck in their own bubble of resentment making such ridiculous comparisons.

So you think every job was sat working at home? How about the police who have got a pay freeze? I'd say they've had a shit time, it's not just NHS workers. 3% pay rise is deserved yes, but no I wouldn't expect them to get anymore when other industries are being forced to pay freeze or make redundancies. In this economic climate 3% is a decent rise.

@Tw1rlz

Sorry I’m not getting the saving lives = god like status on a higher plane to everybody else. It is a job you are trained and paid to do. It’s such an arrogant attitude.Others in direct contact to the public have lost lives. Many many other jobs are just as worthy of our appreciation- cleaners, bin men, shop workers, teachers, TAs …..Unless you work on a Covid ward you’re at no risk to anybody else in direct contact with the public. Probably less given how stringent the testing is to get into hospital and how many face to face contact appointments are still not being done.

They can go to their unions then, as nurses have, and I'm sure NHS staff will be happy if they get a raise as well.

@Tw1rlz

Noterook then you’re lucky. In our city parking is exorbitant and in very short supply.

If you work in a city centre you don’t need to park, that’s what public transport’s for. Most big cities have park and ride too.

I’d never come across NHS bashing before MN. The odd person would have a story of something going wrong but the sheer hatred and vitriol here is something else. I hope some of you are never dangerously ill or involved in an accident.

The money allocated to cahms is a joke. How are you going to increase what is given to all needy NHS sectors if ludicrously high pay rises and free parking during a time the country is on its knees and tax payers are losing jobs is given out simply because NHS workers are deemed by themselves to have god like status.

You have job security, a decent salary, fantastic pension, discounts coming out of your ears…..

Do you actually have any idea how tough it is for many in other sectors. Do you care?

Bus fares are extortionate. Our park and ride is on its knees. The car park for it full, limitations being put in place.

3% is plenty. Be grateful for what you have.

Sorry I’m not getting the saving lives = god like status on a higher plane to everybody else. It is a job you are trained and paid to do. It’s such an arrogant attitude

It really isn’t and that’s utterly and completely outrageous. I spent a week in ITU when I was 23 and my family was told there was no prognosis. Thanks to the skills and care of the NHS, here I am with 45 years and counting of life I wasn’t supposed to have. I’m far from alone.

It’s such an arrogant attitude
What's arrogant is to deny that front line workers were in a much more stressful situation. It is not just about the fear of catching it, but witnessing the anguish of patients, families who couldn't visit, the fear of those knowing they were going in ICU, on ventilators and probably wouldn't come back alive.

So you think every job was sat working at home?
No but I know that university lecturers were not. As a matter of fact, they made it very clear that they wouldn't teach kids face to face. Even now, with most due to be double vaccinated by September, many are still not wanting to do face to face teaching.

Of course other professions had to have some direct contact with the public, but that contact was nowhere as intensive as healthcare professionals, and much less likely exposed to people with Covid.

I'm not a healthcare professional, I was fortunate to be able to work from home. I have a close family member who is a police officer, one of my children worked in the supermarket all the way through, but even I, and them, acknowledge that their experience was nothing compared to what healthcare workers had to face.

It's despairing how some people just can't accept that others can have it harder than them and do deserve things that they don't.

@Tw1rlz

The money allocated to cahms is a joke. How are you going to increase what is given to all needy NHS sectors if ludicrously high pay rises and free parking during a time the country is on its knees and tax payers are losing jobs is given out simply because NHS workers are deemed by themselves to have god like status.

You have job security, a decent salary, fantastic pension, discounts coming out of your ears…..

Do you actually have any idea how tough it is for many in other sectors. Do you care?

I don't work for the NHS hun, but if its so amazing and you cannot comprehend why there are staffing issues then why don't you apply to join? There are plenty of jobs, many entry level so I'm sure they'll be looking forward to your application. Or are you happier just criticising? All of the services run on staff, if there aren't enough then you cannot expand. It's not necessarily about feeling worthy of more, but that for many they can do another job with less stress for the same money- why wouldn't you?

And the reason staff treated you was because somebody taught them to read and write, somebody cared for their children and elderly parents whilst they worked, somebody worked shitty gruelling hours on a pittance picking their food….

There are many decilitre in society that have value and I find it really concerning the way the NHS is deemed somehow on a higher plane to everybody else. A society needs and should value many sectors not just one. As such it should pay what it can afford which in a pandemic when people are losing jobs and the country is experiencing huge debt is 3%.