NHS Pay award

[Thedogscollar]

So this is what they have come back with from the insulting 1% offer by increasing it to a paltry 3%.
Workers are leaving in their droves we have a massive deficit in nursing and midwifery which is worsening daily.

I work in the South East of England, we are hugely affected with shortages in staffing, virtually every 12.5 hrs shift I do we cannot have a break due to work acuity and lack of staff. We have junior staff in tears with the pressure put upon them.
We aren't paid for our break and we are hard pushed to get it back as time owing. We cover empty shifts on the bank over and above our contracted hours as we know how hard it is for our colleagues in there.
We are all reaching breaking point some are there now and gone off sick. It is exhausting physically but more so mentally as you know before you even get to work what it's going to be like.

I have payslips going back 10 plus years and in that time my salary has barely changed and I am at the top of my band.

Our management team held an urgent meeting the other day to discuss the crisis going on within our trust with staffing and work acuity. Nothing was really dealt with just more management speak.

This government has to look after the NHS staff that have given so much and still are. Staff retention is in crisis and by offering this paltry pay rise they are doing nothing to stop this disaster becoming a momentous catastrophe resulting in even worsening patient safety levels being eroded even more.

How on earth can this government justify 30 plus billions for track n trace and HSS yet not offer a decent pay rise to NHS workers and in that I include care workers too.

Boris and co should hang their heads in shame but as per they think they are doing so well in offering us anything.

I'm sure I will have people coming on now to say they have lost jobs and taken paycuts and for that I am truly sorry but this cannot be used as an arguement for a huge group of essential workers being financially and emotionally abused by their employer which is exactly what this government are doing.

There’s no talking to you @Tw1rlz. Your attitude disgusts me.

Some of the vile attitudes and complete lack of respect on display here towards NHS staff are part of why it’s so demoralising to work for that organisation. To know you are not valued or appreciated by your employer or a lot of the people you work to care for grinds you down horribly.

So much resentment and nastiness on here because the cheeky bastards that care for you in the most vulnerable times of your life dare to ask for a decent pay rise. Those lazy greedy NHS staff should get back in their boxes and shut up eh?

I’m not surprised though - that’s the saddest part.

So how do you think those in education, the police, shops, care homes…. are feeling?

They’ve all received nothing. Those in the private sector are losing their jobs.

NHS are getting 3%. In this climate most would love 3%. We can’t afford more. And actually given how much of the NHS shut down face to face during the pandemic many should be showing more appreciation than they are.

We need to remove nurse and AHPs from agenda for change. It’s not fit for purpose and means, particularly for nurses who are on low pay bands that experienced nurses are paid well below other graduates. This was the recommendation from the independent pay body. If we do that we can target pay at nurses where there are dangerous staffing shortages. As opposed to blanket pay uplifts.

@MissyB1

Some of the vile attitudes and complete lack of respect on display here towards NHS staff are part of why it’s so demoralising to work for that organisation. To know you are not valued or appreciated by your employer or a lot of the people you work to care for grinds you down horribly.

So much resentment and nastiness on here because the cheeky bastards that care for you in the most vulnerable times of your life dare to ask for a decent pay rise. Those lazy greedy NHS staff should get back in their boxes and shut up eh?

I’m not surprised though - that’s the saddest part.

I honestly don’t think this is how the public feels. You get some weird and nasty bastards on forums. This isn’t any different. They troll these threads. It’s their only place to go as they don’t make friends in the real world.

I hope you realise how greatly valued and appreciated you are by some of us @MissyB1. I owe my life to people like you and am beyond grateful.

@Tw1rlz

So how do you think those in education, the police, shops, care homes…. are feeling?

They’ve all received nothing. Those in the private sector are losing their jobs.

NHS are getting 3%. In this climate most would love 3%. We can’t afford more. And actually given how much of the NHS shut down face to face during the pandemic many should be showing more appreciation than they are.

Actually many supermarkets gave either bonuses or pay increases to staff during the pandemic, as they should- but they are private sector, as are most care homes, so I'm not sure why you're bundling them in when it's their employers choice re pay and not the government. Also keen where you have seen NHS staff saying that teachers and police shouldn't get payrises? Or are you suggesting that their union who are the ones who have been pushing this should fight for everyone? What are their unions doing? The armed forces are the only ones who legally aren't allowed to join a union, everyone else can push if they want to. I would say you're being deliberately goady, but as there's so much ignorance about, probably not.

Homo homini lupus est

If NHS staff are to be given more than 3% where is the money going to come from for the rest of the public sector who should also be rewarded for their work during the pandemic? The country is tumbling into debt.

Bear in mind very many NHS staff are not paid on Agenda for Change. I've been nursing over thirty years and working all the way through the pandemic. Won't get 3%. Nowhere near.

@Tw1rlz

If NHS staff are to be given more than 3% where is the money going to come from for the rest of the public sector who should also be rewarded for their work during the pandemic? The country is tumbling into debt.

There are several suggestions for where the money could easily be found earlier in the thread. Maybe pause the vitriol spouting to read them?

I thought only doctors and dentists weren’t on agenda for change? Shouldn’t you be on it, @cptartapp?

Lovely attitudes on this thread. Why is it a race to the bottom? The NHS is not fit for purpose and will only get worse but that's ok we can privatise it. Let's see what happens then. Yes you get bad professionals in every job. Don't tar us all with the same brush. Parking should be free for NHS staff sometimes my shifts finish at 2am how do you suggest I get home? Walk?

3% is neither here nor there for me, as a top band 6 progression is not as easy as you think. Nurse specialist roles in my trust are now mainly all band 6, that is appalling for the work they do. I work in a very happy highly rated trust (outstanding no less) but staff have had it now. We worked throughout watching colleagues get seriously ill from covid and having to carry on anyway. The NHS will collapse imminently without the goodwill of it's work force. It's 30 degrees in my ward, so by the time you add mask, apron and gloves it makes for a very difficult working environment. Covid is back in all hospitals and guess what we are there doing it again. We are exhausted mentality and physically, often going without breaks and leaving late because staffing is at dangerous levels but demand remains the same. No I don't think I am God 🙄nor do any of my colleagues, we knew the clapping would soon turn to vitriol. But that's ok we are still open for business let's hope some of you don't need us anytime soon.
Fwiw I dread work now, I have that sinking feeling everyday, we are moved to departments that we don't have the skills for, so we could loose our pin being put in these situations.
But as said previously if it's is easy, cushy with endless benefits we would love you to join us well, some of you.

There are many decilitre in society that have value *
Of course there are. Nobody is denying that is the case. However, most of these offer jobs/professions don't suffer the recruitment crisis the NHS is facing. Why is that? Because frontline workers did have it harder in the last 18 months. That doesn't mean shop workers, bus drivers, solicitors and teachers had it easy, not at all, but frontline health workers faced a challenge beyond what others had to deal with.

Is it really so hard to empathise to this?

Such as?

MP pay rise across NHS would be pennies as was pointed out .

@Egghead68 many GPs don't offer nursing AfC in England.

Thanks. I didn’t know that. Not good.

@Rupertpenrysmistress
The ones who think it’s a cushy number are the ones who wouldn’t even last one shift in my experience. The problem is a lot of the public literally have no clue about what’s it’s like.

Nursing applications rose by over a third in Feb. Medicine degrees are massively oversubscribed this year.

So there seems to be a consensus that Lord Bethell's 'lucky to have a job' is spot on. Either there's no recruitment and retention problem and it's a cushy number where most HCPs didn't work or WfH during COVID. PPs can't get an appointment so no one can, A pay rise is undeserved, unaffordable or both. All said in a Yorkshire accent with echoes of 'Don't know the meaning of hard work' or four Yorkshiremen comparing luxury.

Pay peanuts and get monkeys only applies to MPs, financial services in the City and suchlike where pay needs to be competitive or people will leave. There's aren't a lot of MPs anyway so any payrise for them is affordable.

HCPs have lots of goodwill (though perhaps not reflected in the posts in this thread) and this will be lost from a payrise or from not happily accepting the Government's offer. This goodwill is worth more than money because..

There are lots of perks although not many have been described.

The NHS pension which is now contributory and career average is worth its weight in gold.

Other workers in the public sector and the private sector have it as bad or worse, worked during COVID and so on.

It sounds like we pay the NHS far too much for this cushy number. How large a paycut should we impose on the NHS to save money for the givernment and the hard-workign taxpayer? Well a pay cut in addition to the 12% real terms pay cut applied to most HCPS over the last decade?

@Tw1rlz

We’re talking about the population as a whole. Plenty of workers earn far less and get zero free parking. Many many people don’t enjoy free work parking. Why are NHS workers deemed more worthy of having it? Shop workers on crappy wages in city centres with exorbitant parking fees many of whom will have been facing the public daily during the pandemic don’t enjoy free parking, ditto office workers and most other sectors…..

Where did I say NHS workers were more "worthy" of free parking? I simply pointed out that the inconsistency across the board is unfair. I don't personally think it's fair that I can drive to work and park for free when I get paid an NHS band 8 salary, while pp on this thread as a nurse on (probably) a lower banding has to pay £100 a month. I think that's unfair. That was my point.

And if a 12% payrise for the NHS would according to a PP mean a 40p in the pound increase in IT then would 12% pay cut lead to a cut in IT of 40p in the pound? Great, negative IT for people paying less than 40p IT marginal rate now.

[quote MissyB1]@Rupertpenrysmistress
The ones who think it’s a cushy number are the ones who wouldn’t even last one shift in my experience. The problem is a lot of the public literally have no clue about what’s it’s like.[/quote]

Agreed

@Rupertpenrysmistress

Lovely attitudes on this thread. Why is it a race to the bottom? The NHS is not fit for purpose and will only get worse but that's ok we can privatise it. Let's see what happens then. Yes you get bad professionals in every job. Don't tar us all with the same brush. Parking should be free for NHS staff sometimes my shifts finish at 2am how do you suggest I get home? Walk?

3% is neither here nor there for me, as a top band 6 progression is not as easy as you think. Nurse specialist roles in my trust are now mainly all band 6, that is appalling for the work they do. I work in a very happy highly rated trust (outstanding no less) but staff have had it now. We worked throughout watching colleagues get seriously ill from covid and having to carry on anyway. The NHS will collapse imminently without the goodwill of it's work force. It's 30 degrees in my ward, so by the time you add mask, apron and gloves it makes for a very difficult working environment. Covid is back in all hospitals and guess what we are there doing it again. We are exhausted mentality and physically, often going without breaks and leaving late because staffing is at dangerous levels but demand remains the same. No I don't think I am God 🙄nor do any of my colleagues, we knew the clapping would soon turn to vitriol. But that's ok we are still open for business let's hope some of you don't need us anytime soon.
Fwiw I dread work now, I have that sinking feeling everyday, we are moved to departments that we don't have the skills for, so we could loose our pin being put in these situations.
But as said previously if it's is easy, cushy with endless benefits we would love you to join us well, some of you.

Well said.

@Tw1rlz

Nursing applications rose by over a third in Feb. Medicine degrees are massively oversubscribed this year.

Let's see how that translates into staff on wards, shall we?

Judging by our latest students (HCP), I think some are in for quite a shock. Our supplying college have suffered the biggest end of first year drop out rate ever, this past year.