NHS Pay award

[Thedogscollar]

So this is what they have come back with from the insulting 1% offer by increasing it to a paltry 3%.
Workers are leaving in their droves we have a massive deficit in nursing and midwifery which is worsening daily.

I work in the South East of England, we are hugely affected with shortages in staffing, virtually every 12.5 hrs shift I do we cannot have a break due to work acuity and lack of staff. We have junior staff in tears with the pressure put upon them.
We aren't paid for our break and we are hard pushed to get it back as time owing. We cover empty shifts on the bank over and above our contracted hours as we know how hard it is for our colleagues in there.
We are all reaching breaking point some are there now and gone off sick. It is exhausting physically but more so mentally as you know before you even get to work what it's going to be like.

I have payslips going back 10 plus years and in that time my salary has barely changed and I am at the top of my band.

Our management team held an urgent meeting the other day to discuss the crisis going on within our trust with staffing and work acuity. Nothing was really dealt with just more management speak.

This government has to look after the NHS staff that have given so much and still are. Staff retention is in crisis and by offering this paltry pay rise they are doing nothing to stop this disaster becoming a momentous catastrophe resulting in even worsening patient safety levels being eroded even more.

How on earth can this government justify 30 plus billions for track n trace and HSS yet not offer a decent pay rise to NHS workers and in that I include care workers too.

Boris and co should hang their heads in shame but as per they think they are doing so well in offering us anything.

I'm sure I will have people coming on now to say they have lost jobs and taken paycuts and for that I am truly sorry but this cannot be used as an arguement for a huge group of essential workers being financially and emotionally abused by their employer which is exactly what this government are doing.

Every thread about the NHS, well, most bloody threads end up with someone moaning about a teacher.

@CrouchEndTiger12

Carycy

The sooner the NHS collapses the sooner you will be a private practitioner who has to fork out a small fortune for personal indemnity insurance.

I'm not talking about MPS, MDU, MDDUS which most of you have anyway.

Right now if you fuck up NHSR will manage the claim and fork out the damages.

In the US, surgeons pay $30,000 -$50,000 a year for medical malpractice insurance. If the system goes private you'll have to adequately insure yourself eating up a lot of your big fat new wage.

The NHS provides you with a heck of a lot of protection.

One of the more niche arguments for the suck it up argument.

Oh and don’t even start me on being in the queue at Morrisons a while back with some NHS staff member brandishing her ID card like she was some special member of society to get her discount there.

The girl on the till was 🙄 and when the NHS member of staff had left she was, “I cannot wait for the day we tell them the discount is over, some are ok, but lots of them seem to think we should treat them like Gods”

@DanniDuck is the reason that some people are narrow minded and assume that their experience is the same across the country? Or that instead of doing something productive about their issues with teachers they have encountered, they come onto an anonymous message board to post about it because for some reason they feel that's the kind of post an unrelated topic needs?

@ChainJane

3% seems pretty generous to me considering many people in the private sector are getting nothing at all. The BBC report I read said the average nurse would be getting an extra thousand a month because of it.

NHS staff are in the fortunate position that their jobs are never going to be made redundant, a comfort few employees have these days.

This is on the back of a huge pay freeze though. My friend working in Tesco earns just £150 a month less than me with far less responsibility, better shift patterns and doesn't have people's lives in their hands.

Still not over someone thinking 3% would mean a nurse getting an extra £1000 a month.

it is a successful strategy to give more and more people less and less and then encourage them to turn on each other - i got nothing so you should also get nothing. rather than joining together. You know who got loads more money during the pandemic. Billionaires and the very wealthy all saw their fortunes rise. Maybe we should all turn on them instead of each other.

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The nhs is a huge employer - I’m sure I read somewhere it is the 5th biggest in the world. Presumably that means a huge cost for a blanket rise. Surely the way forwards is to give a large sum of money to the individual trusts who can then allocate pay rises on a specific individual basis - based on performance - like the private sector does? That way those who have performed the best get rewarded the best?

Zero sympathy. It’s been shit in education, really shit. Many school staff are on their knees. Support staff get a pittance.Never once has there ever been any thanks from the government. Teachers are getting a pay freeze.I suspect other sectors are struggling too. Sorry but unless you work on a Covid ward I don’t think other NHS staff are any more deserving than anybody else in the public sector for a pay rise. I am sick to death of the NHS hero thing and find it quite concerning. Job security, great pension, discounts all over the place. NHS workers are doing their job the same as everybody else and many who work from home or who stopped doing ftof have had less risk.

@Frenchrugby

The nhs is a huge employer - I’m sure I read somewhere it is the 5th biggest in the world. Presumably that means a huge cost for a blanket rise. Surely the way forwards is to give a large sum of money to the individual trusts who can then allocate pay rises on a specific individual basis - based on performance - like the private sector does? That way those who have performed the best get rewarded the best?

This is why it makes no sense for NHS staff to constantly moan about MP pay. You see it trotted out by them every single time and it is just illogical.

The number of MPs is tiny compared to one of the world's largest employers.

There just isn't the money available to give all of them that big a payrise.

I honestly wish they would take the pay rise given to MPs and distribute to NHS staff as they would all end up with a few pence each.

@Tw1rlz

Zero sympathy. It’s been shit in education, really shit. Many school staff are on their knees. Support staff get a pittance.Never once has there ever been any thanks from the government. Teachers are getting a pay freeze.I suspect other sectors are struggling too. Sorry but unless you work on a Covid ward I don’t think other NHS staff are any more deserving than anybody else in the public sector for a pay rise. I am sick to death of the NHS hero thing and find it quite concerning. Job security, great pension, discounts all over the place. NHS workers are doing their job the same as everybody else and many who work from home or who stopped doing ftof have had less risk.

I have a lot of medic friends from uni and many have told me the first 6-9 months of the pandemic was like being on study leave as they were doing nothing with all their clinics cancelled.

Unless they were on a covid ward which most of them aren't.

@CrouchEndTiger12 you've heard of principles though right? I think that's the problem where MP pay rises are concerned!

@Kittyswhiskers

It costs me £25 a week just to park (nhs nurse) so the pay rise hasn’t even covered my parking 🤣

I think this is shocking. I work for a mental health trust and I can park at work for free but I know of colleagues in other Trusts who have to pay like you. Imagine having to pay £100 a month just to have your car at work?! So wrong.

People do everywhere. That is the norm. Car parking is rationed at my dh’s work so not only does he have to pay he has to find and walk from parking.

@Tw1rlz

People do everywhere. That is the norm. Car parking is rationed at my dh’s work so not only does he have to pay he has to find and walk from parking.

Nope not everywhere. As I said, I don't (and I know of other NHS trusts that don't charge staff to park). DH is also public sector (not NHS) - no parking charges for him either. Why the inconsistency? Hardly seems fair

On the issue of car parking the Trust Dh for charges according to your salary - now you might think that’s all fair and good. Problem being it’s expensive for everyone, and if you are a consultant it’s 4K a year! Yes that’s right £4000. That’s roughly £300 a month. Needless to say he won’t pay it and manages by a combination of bike and bus. Which isn’t great when he has to do clinics or procedures in the other hospitals that the trust own. The problem with using public transport is emergency call outs, he tried driving in when he was called to help with an emergency at 3am, but was slapped with a parking fine!

We’re talking about the population as a whole. Plenty of workers earn far less and get zero free parking. Many many people don’t enjoy free work parking. Why are NHS workers deemed more worthy of having it? Shop workers on crappy wages in city centres with exorbitant parking fees many of whom will have been facing the public daily during the pandemic don’t enjoy free parking, ditto office workers and most other sectors…..

Try earning minimum wage and being able to afford the same amount every month. Do you know how expensive city centre parking is?

I don't know anyone who doesn't have to pay travel and parking to work even a shop assistant does.

NHS staff want massive payrises and free parking...who do you think you all are?!

I don’t really understand the argument a lot of the time. “We’re understaffed and overworked, lots of people off with stress and then leaving because there’s just not enough staff and/or equipment to work satisfactorily/safely…”

What’s a pay rise going to do to change that? Nothing. You’ll just be equally as stretched and stressed, just with an extra £100 in the bank every month. Surely it’s a better argument to say “stuff the pay rise, spend the money on training/recruiting more doctors and nurses”?

Consultants earn a fortune in comparison.

I've never had to pay to park at work, to suggest everyone does is very disingenuous because its not true.

£82 000 to £110 000 compared £12 000 and you think the worker on the former deserves free parking whereas the latter can just suck it up. Have you paid for parking in a city centre recently. Try paying that for a full working day 5 days a week.