NHS Pay award

[Thedogscollar]

So this is what they have come back with from the insulting 1% offer by increasing it to a paltry 3%.
Workers are leaving in their droves we have a massive deficit in nursing and midwifery which is worsening daily.

I work in the South East of England, we are hugely affected with shortages in staffing, virtually every 12.5 hrs shift I do we cannot have a break due to work acuity and lack of staff. We have junior staff in tears with the pressure put upon them.
We aren't paid for our break and we are hard pushed to get it back as time owing. We cover empty shifts on the bank over and above our contracted hours as we know how hard it is for our colleagues in there.
We are all reaching breaking point some are there now and gone off sick. It is exhausting physically but more so mentally as you know before you even get to work what it's going to be like.

I have payslips going back 10 plus years and in that time my salary has barely changed and I am at the top of my band.

Our management team held an urgent meeting the other day to discuss the crisis going on within our trust with staffing and work acuity. Nothing was really dealt with just more management speak.

This government has to look after the NHS staff that have given so much and still are. Staff retention is in crisis and by offering this paltry pay rise they are doing nothing to stop this disaster becoming a momentous catastrophe resulting in even worsening patient safety levels being eroded even more.

How on earth can this government justify 30 plus billions for track n trace and HSS yet not offer a decent pay rise to NHS workers and in that I include care workers too.

Boris and co should hang their heads in shame but as per they think they are doing so well in offering us anything.

I'm sure I will have people coming on now to say they have lost jobs and taken paycuts and for that I am truly sorry but this cannot be used as an arguement for a huge group of essential workers being financially and emotionally abused by their employer which is exactly what this government are doing.

@worriedatthemoment

Because the provision offered by the vast majority of state schools during the first lockdown was totally unacceptable.

Many teachers simply issued work on a Monday morning and that was it for the week. There are numerous reports of teachers spending March- September in their gardens.

Also, schools would have closed in February 2020 and would still be shut if it were up to the unions.

It is only right given these circumstances that any funding that would have gone on a pay rise for teachers goes to the NHS instead.

[quote Covidcorvid]@NavigatingAdolescence someone down the thread said it was over 3 years. 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
Makes no sense and isn’t in any of the documents I’ve seen on it.

I expect the Gov are delughted that people are bickering about who deserves what... pitting professions against each other.It is very sad.

Bottom of Band 5 is £24,907pa. You are not neccesarily newly qualified to earn that. I have years of experience..NHS and Private. Returned to NHS on 24,907. In my area out of 300 nursing students 100 have left before the end of the first year.

@Doobydoo

I don’t think £25k is a bad graduate starting salary at all.

I sort of agree. However the reality is a newly qualufied can find themselves running a ward too soon which is stressful for them and unsafe.

It is dire really. NHS does need a complete overhaul.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@vivainsomnia maybe not at the same risk but neither was the whole of the nhs like some make out , those that were should be rewarded not every single one some who would not of seen anyone and been less risk [/quote]
How do you know what people did? Lots of mental health staff worked remotely but they still worked with people highly anxious or suicidal because of the pandemic and a lot of those ended up working a lot more hours than usual.

Nope, not after a botched broken hip operation left my previously healthy father subject to many infections which led to eventual dementia, being left lying in his own piss and shit many times through the months and dying a very undignified and sad death while most of the time the nurses were just gossiping about Saturday night’s antics at their nurse’s station. Pre pandemic as well. They were probably tick to cking their way through all this.

Junior doctor here, we are not included in any pay rises. We were given less than 24 hours notice of being moved onto an entirely new rolling rota, new jobs, Covid wards, annual leave cancelled, all 13 hour shifts split into days and nights.
I got moved onto the Covid unit as the first permanent doctor, we didn’t know what we were expecting when we opened. I was with surgical nurses who did an excellent job but were terrified when we first opened, I had to pretend I knew what we were doing and all would be well (I had no idea). Day after day I rang relatives and told them their loved ones were dying, I had to tell entirely with it previously fit and we’ll people that there was nothing more we could do and that no they couldn’t see their family.

This was my experience too. It was utterly shit. I've had to have treatment for PTSD as a result, and am still not better in terms of my mental health. We need to have more compassion for HCP. There are many here who are devoid of compassion on this thread.

Also I’ve just recently put a friend on unfollow on Facebook. She’s got a job working for the NHS in Test and Trace. Every other post refers to her being a #NHSHERO. 🙄🙄🙄

@Sausageroll67

Nope, not after a botched broken hip operation left my previously healthy father subject to many infections which led to eventual dementia, being left lying in his own piss and shit many times through the months and dying a very undignified and sad death while most of the time the nurses were just gossiping about Saturday night’s antics at their nurse’s station. Pre pandemic as well. They were probably tick to cking their way through all this.

Also utterly cruel treatment on postnatal wards by midwives. Multiple tales on here every other woman I speak irl says so.

Hero's?!

In 2009 MPs were paid about 63k. In 2019 they were paid about 79k.

I doubt NHS staff have seen anywhere near this level of increase. I think its awful that there haven't been annual pay increases, because it devalues staff and the profession.

@ChainJane

3% seems pretty generous to me considering many people in the private sector are getting nothing at all. The BBC report I read said the average nurse would be getting an extra thousand a month because of it.

NHS staff are in the fortunate position that their jobs are never going to be made redundant, a comfort few employees have these days.

Just because people in the private sector aren't getting anything doesn't mean that nobody should get nothing! Rather, we should be fighting for all ordinary people who have been risking their lives to get extra in recognition of it. But, when it comes to NHS workers, we have to be fair. This last year and a half must have been hell for them, and they deserve so much more than this. 3% is nothing. It probably doesn't even bring it in line with inflation over the last few years. It's a kick in the teeth imo.

@Carycy

Notebook this is what I have been saying. We are paid very badly in comparison to other countries at the same level of wealth because of the monopoly the nhs has. There is no competition. Nowhere for us to go. I am in a specialist role and there really isn’t more private work available unless I want to completely deskill myself. It’s nhs or nothing. Why is how they continue to get away with paying me terribly for the level of qualifications and specialist knowledge I have. The sooner the nhs collapses the sooner I will be paid appropriately.

Sadly yep, pretty much!

@GreenLakes totally not the experience at my ds state schools , the teachers did all they could and schools were open to key workers etc and they had to then teach with not much protection not allowed to wear masks etc
Most professions have had it tough wether thats working extra hard or having your place of work shut and pay cut.

@Stompythedinosaur

The thing a lot of people don’t seem to get is that there isn’t a bottomless pit of money.

There was money for a 13% rise for hmrc employees and money for 8 above inflation pay rises for MPs in the last decade.

It only seems to be the NHS who has such regular pay cuts.

This.

The bottomless pit only seems to appear when money is being handed out to chums.

@Dontwatchfootball same as you lots of admin worked at home and could do very little as I know them.
You claim to know what other professions have been through as well? How do you know who has had it worse or who hasn't.

The thing is I suspect even most teachers deep down accept that they don’t deserve a pay rise this year!

Most teachers? We taught our full timetables online. Delivered food parcels. Made phone calls to vulnerable students. Chased up absence from online classes. Marked every piece of completed work. Replanned everything to suit the online format. Delivered keyworker activities in school. Missed out on holidays with no compensation. Did the work of the exam boards for them including devising tests, marking, grading and standardising. Lost valued PPA time covering for sick colleagues so exam years had as much specialised teaching as possible. Saw some of our colleagues get very sick and in some schools, had colleagues die. Adapted parents evenings to a online format…..but yeah, we did sod all other than sit in our bloody gardens. Just fuck off with your ignorance and deliberate misunderstanding of what the job entails. I don’t begrudge anyone a pay rise but the suggestion that the teaching profession doesn’t deserve it…you can do one.

@Getawaywithit I think some post just to get a reaction
So many professions have worked so hard through this and on difficult circumstances
My dh worked all through having to visit people and at beginning ringing up and checking on vulnerable( not something he is trained in) and he is in a job where people wouldn't even think of having to still work.

Carycy

The sooner the NHS collapses the sooner you will be a private practitioner who has to fork out a small fortune for personal indemnity insurance.

I'm not talking about MPS, MDU, MDDUS which most of you have anyway.

Right now if you fuck up NHSR will manage the claim and fork out the damages.

In the US, surgeons pay $30,000 -$50,000 a year for medical malpractice insurance. If the system goes private you'll have to adequately insure yourself eating up a lot of your big fat new wage.

The NHS provides you with a heck of a lot of protection.

@Goldi321 please tell me where this magical city is, where GPs are doing F2F appts?! Because I've been trying since May to get my ill DD one!

The NHS is not the only organisation where staff work under pressure and reduced resources.

I’m a senior manager and we’ve had to reduce staffing by 20% in most departments in order to survive. The remaining staff are having to do more with less.

Equally my DD works as a waitress in a cafe over the summer. Her boss has had to cut down from up to 8 waiting staff and baristas per shift to a maximum of 2 (who also now have to make all drinks).

DD has adapted and is now enjoying the additional responsibility and fast pace.

@Getawaywithit sadly this isn't the experience of everyone. My DC had worksheets handed out on a Monday for the week, parents evening was meant to be by phone but didn't happen, there have been no reports this year and since going back this time, if isolating you get no work to do at all.