NHS Pay award

[Thedogscollar]

So this is what they have come back with from the insulting 1% offer by increasing it to a paltry 3%.
Workers are leaving in their droves we have a massive deficit in nursing and midwifery which is worsening daily.

I work in the South East of England, we are hugely affected with shortages in staffing, virtually every 12.5 hrs shift I do we cannot have a break due to work acuity and lack of staff. We have junior staff in tears with the pressure put upon them.
We aren't paid for our break and we are hard pushed to get it back as time owing. We cover empty shifts on the bank over and above our contracted hours as we know how hard it is for our colleagues in there.
We are all reaching breaking point some are there now and gone off sick. It is exhausting physically but more so mentally as you know before you even get to work what it's going to be like.

I have payslips going back 10 plus years and in that time my salary has barely changed and I am at the top of my band.

Our management team held an urgent meeting the other day to discuss the crisis going on within our trust with staffing and work acuity. Nothing was really dealt with just more management speak.

This government has to look after the NHS staff that have given so much and still are. Staff retention is in crisis and by offering this paltry pay rise they are doing nothing to stop this disaster becoming a momentous catastrophe resulting in even worsening patient safety levels being eroded even more.

How on earth can this government justify 30 plus billions for track n trace and HSS yet not offer a decent pay rise to NHS workers and in that I include care workers too.

Boris and co should hang their heads in shame but as per they think they are doing so well in offering us anything.

I'm sure I will have people coming on now to say they have lost jobs and taken paycuts and for that I am truly sorry but this cannot be used as an arguement for a huge group of essential workers being financially and emotionally abused by their employer which is exactly what this government are doing.

@June2008 completely agree. It should be decided on the job that you have done throughout the pandemic and not just the fact that you work for the nhs!

@Stompythedinosaur Of course I understand where the guidance came from. That's why many of us have been quietly patient for so long. Then just as we see the light at the end of the tunnel, we face the threat of more delays. Nobody could expect us to be happy about that.

@Angelcupcake those people don’t work any less hard than you. My mother is a NHS ‘frontline’ member of staff, she’ll happily tell you how little work she has done through the pandemic. Their workload was 1/3.

However, using your standard that somehow medical staff work harder, what about the army medics who were right there working with NHS staff. They aren’t getting a pay rise.

@Thedogscollar

So this is what they have come back with from the insulting 1% offer by increasing it to a paltry 3%. Workers are leaving in their droves we have a massive deficit in nursing and midwifery which is worsening daily.

I work in the South East of England, we are hugely affected with shortages in staffing, virtually every 12.5 hrs shift I do we cannot have a break due to work acuity and lack of staff. We have junior staff in tears with the pressure put upon them.
We aren't paid for our break and we are hard pushed to get it back as time owing. We cover empty shifts on the bank over and above our contracted hours as we know how hard it is for our colleagues in there.
We are all reaching breaking point some are there now and gone off sick. It is exhausting physically but more so mentally as you know before you even get to work what it's going to be like.

I have payslips going back 10 plus years and in that time my salary has barely changed and I am at the top of my band.

Our management team held an urgent meeting the other day to discuss the crisis going on within our trust with staffing and work acuity. Nothing was really dealt with just more management speak.

This government has to look after the NHS staff that have given so much and still are. Staff retention is in crisis and by offering this paltry pay rise they are doing nothing to stop this disaster becoming a momentous catastrophe resulting in even worsening patient safety levels being eroded even more.

How on earth can this government justify 30 plus billions for track n trace and HSS yet not offer a decent pay rise to NHS workers and in that I include care workers too.

Boris and co should hang their heads in shame but as per they think they are doing so well in offering us anything.

I'm sure I will have people coming on now to say they have lost jobs and taken paycuts and for that I am truly sorry but this cannot be used as an arguement for a huge group of essential workers being financially and emotionally abused by their employer which is exactly what this government are doing.

actually this govt can justify 30plus billions but not much for NHS workers - NHS workers/police/teachers etc are not their friends - the billions are reserved for money making opportunities for their friends/contacts who will provide money making opportunities for them when they leave govt.
cannot believe so many people voted for them. really feel for you. We are also a nhs worker household -

[quote 21Bee]@Angelcupcake those people don’t work any less hard than you. My mother is a NHS ‘frontline’ member of staff, she’ll happily tell you how little work she has done through the pandemic. Their workload was 1/3.

However, using your standard that somehow medical staff work harder, what about the army medics who were right there working with NHS staff. They aren’t getting a pay rise.[/quote]
I'm not saying that people in other jobs don't work hard. I'm saying that our pay does not reflect the workload or the qualifications, skills and experience needed to do our job.

I don't know why your mum's experience has been so different to the experience of others working in the NHS.

@ChainJane

3% seems pretty generous to me considering many people in the private sector are getting nothing at all. The BBC report I read said the average nurse would be getting an extra thousand a month because of it.

NHS staff are in the fortunate position that their jobs are never going to be made redundant, a comfort few employees have these days.

3% generous.. an extra thousand a month ????? so lets say a nurse is making £400,000 pa annum. 3% increase is £12,000 per annum. thats £100 per month before tax. So you are right if the average nurse is getting £400,000 p.a. salary - are there any nurses on here who can confirm whether £400,000 p.a. is the average nurse's salary. BTW if they get say £40,000 pa. = £100 per month. £25,000 p.a. = £62.50 per month So either nurses are making £400,000 pa. on average BBC is wrong You need to reread BBC article and maybe go to specsavers first.

£1,000 per month not a £100

@Justcallmebebes

Private sector - no pay rise for 3 years now. Cry me a fucking river

how long did you train for your job. My DH 15 years of training. and constant training still. 24/7 job. and those joining now will have massive student loans to pay off. and a much poorer pension scheme. you will be crying a river when there is a mass shortage of nurses and doctors as they will retire/go to different professions.

@OdetoMyFamily

Are nurses/mid wives leaving mainly because of their pay or because of what sounds like back breaking shifts for ward staff?

NHS needs totally reforming. It's worth bearing in mind though that the NHS is a huge employer, the jobs are pretty secure and the pension excellent.

many of the nhs issues are caused by constant reform. running it down until people are willing to accept privatisation via the back door. the govt knows what they are doing. creating profit opportunities

@Dogvmarmot you need to read whole thread as its been pointed out to poster they have mis read it numerous times , they know

I’m in favour of a mega NHS pay rise, particularly if it means we can stop doing the hero-worshipping thing and just pay our health workers properly. No more clapping and rainbows and singing and dancing. Proper pay, proper management, we’re all happy.

(I’m slightly sensitive to this as I also worked through the pandemic, 12-13 hour shifts 5-6 days per week, unpaid overtime, exhaustion, burnout. I now have PTSD which my family refuses to believe as I wasn’t in the NHS like my brother and therefore nothing I did could compare.)

@Dogvmarmot

The thing is I suspect even most teachers deep down accept that they don’t deserve a pay rise this year!

Most private sector staff would be lucky to still have a job if their workplace had been closed for 12 of the last 18 months (and would have been the whole 18 if the unions had their way), never mind a pay rise!

The rise for NHS staff can only be afforded because teachers and others are receiving a pay freeze.

@AdaFuckingShelby that goes for many of us in many professions though , people dealing with job losses, other professions that have ha to have face to face contact throughout , public transport workers im sure have had it harder than someone in admin at the nhs or a teacher or a supermarket worker with constant face to face and high numbers with lots of colleagues of sick.
My aunt works in a supermarket she is 70 but has to work, I think she was more at risk and under stress also than some
Nhs admin roles.
The frontline staff will of seen it a lot worse
The simple issue is that cost of living has gone up hugely
A job I had 20 years ago paid £20000 the same job now pays about £25000 , i rented a house then for £550 a month , that same place would be about £1200

@PheasantsNest

Considering a lot of workers haven't had a pay rise in years I think it's more than generous. My DH hasn't had a pay rise in 5 years.

it is a successful strategy to give more and more people less and less and then encourage them to turn on each other - i got nothing so you should also get nothing. rather than joining together. You know who got loads more money during the pandemic. Billionaires and the very wealthy all saw their fortunes rise. Maybe we should all turn on them instead of each other.

@GreenLakes why do teachers not deserve a pay rise?

@Blossomtoes "Excellent idea. And surely if we can find ways to fund a decent pay increase all those highly paid civil servants in the Treasury can manage it."

So now you're complaining that the people who manage the nation's finances are paid too much. If anyone could jump to private and earn way more it's them.

The thing is I suspect even most teachers deep down accept that they don’t deserve a pay rise this year!

Why would you say that?!

Junior doctor here, we are not included in any pay rises. We were given less than 24 hours notice of being moved onto an entirely new rolling rota, new jobs, Covid wards, annual leave cancelled, all 13 hour shifts split into days and nights.
I got moved onto the Covid unit as the first permanent doctor, we didn’t know what we were expecting when we opened. I was with surgical nurses who did an excellent job but were terrified when we first opened, I had to pretend I knew what we were doing and all would be well (I had no idea). Day after day I rang relatives and told them their loved ones were dying, I had to tell entirely with it previously fit and we’ll people that there was nothing more we could do and that no they couldn’t see their family.
Now in GP, just completed a “normal” day- 12 hours of constant F2F, home visits, emergency admissions. Everyone pissed off because their hospital apts are delayed.
It’s soul destroying! If people knew how unsafe things really are and how much everything is hanging on by the skin of its teeth. The NHS runs on the goodwill of its staff- no breaks, unpaid overtime daily. I think it’s time we valued ourselves more and worked to rule, we can only do so much to keep afloat a sinking ship.

So if it’s 3% over 3 years doesn’t that equate to 1% a year? Which won’t be keeping up with inflation/RPI? I know before I left the nhs there was stuff going around saying we were currently effectively been paid less every year because none of the limited pay rises were keeping up with the cost of living. 🤷‍♀️

[quote ThinkAboutItTomorrow]**@Blossomtoes "Excellent idea. And surely if we can find ways to fund a decent pay increase all those highly paid civil servants in the Treasury can manage it."

So now you're complaining that the people who manage the nation's finances are paid too much. If anyone could jump to private and earn way more it's them. [/quote]
Where’s the complaint? Senior civil servants earn six figure salaries. It’s a plain statement of fact.

Notebook this is what I have been saying. We are paid very badly in comparison to other countries at the same level of wealth because of the monopoly the nhs has. There is no competition. Nowhere for us to go. I am in a specialist role and there really isn’t more private work available unless I want to completely deskill myself. It’s nhs or nothing. Why is how they continue to get away with paying me terribly for the level of qualifications and specialist knowledge I have. The sooner the nhs collapses the sooner I will be paid appropriately.

And don’t talk to me about private. My DH that dropped out of college and got a Desmond degree earns 5 times what I do in the private industry.

I read it as a dig, sorry if that wasn't the case. I just sometimes get the sense that some people think any public servant should be paid under the going rate. I imagine the 6 figure earners in the treasury had & have quite a few more lucrative options. In business

@CovidCorvid

So if it’s 3% over 3 years doesn’t that equate to 1% a year? Which won’t be keeping up with inflation/RPI? I know before I left the nhs there was stuff going around saying we were currently effectively been paid less every year because none of the limited pay rises were keeping up with the cost of living. 🤷‍♀️

Who is suggesting 3% over 3 years?!

@NavigatingAdolescence someone down the thread said it was over 3 years. 🤷‍♀️