… to ask why Giles Coren hasn’t been cancelled yet?

[mowly77]

The vile Dawn Foster tweets ffs. But he seems Teflon coated. He will never be cancelled. Three fucking columns a week … a pissing radio show, albeit on Times Radio, which surely no one listens to. I would love to be proved wrong. Absolutely love to be.

Individuals are unable to effect change that can be accomplished by working collectively. It’s the basis of all change in our society

I'm sure that phrase has been used to justify many atrocities over the centuries. But if it makes you feel better...

@Bryonyshcmyony

It’s not “hunting in packs”. Individuals are unable to effect change that can be accomplished by working collectively. It’s the basis of all change in our society

That sounds like a quote from the call out culture playbook!

No it’s a simple statement of fact. It was recognised 200 years ago with the birth of the trade union movement and women wouldn’t have a vote without it. 🤷‍♀️

It's the hunting in packs to bring someone down that some object to here. No one is saying that you should continue with your subscription if you don't want to.

So it's ok to cancel your subscription but it's not ok to discuss why on a public forum?

but it's not ok to discuss why on a public forum

Do you understand the difference between a simple discussion and incitement? You will get into trouble IRL if you don't, you'd better look it up

I think it's quite naive to believe you are collectively accomplishing change by 'cancelling' an individual because you don't like things they say or said ten years ago. It is not comparable to the Suffragettes movement. Typing something on Twitter is not comparable to being in a trade union at the mine.

@Bryonyshcmyony

BTW the account people couldn't have given a shiny shit about my reasons for cancelling so good luck with managing to get even a bleat in about GC between offers of cheaper deals.

When I cancelled my subscription the person in the cancellation was reading off a script that they had been given and she said that they’d had lots of calls from people cancelling their accounts because of Giles Coren. Then she offered me the 90% discount for 6 months right at the end of the call.

@Gregwiggle

I think it's quite naive to believe you are collectively accomplishing change by 'cancelling' an individual because you don't like things they say or said ten years ago. It is not comparable to the Suffragettes movement. Typing something on Twitter is not comparable to being in a trade union at the mine.

Point spectacularly missed. This discussion has now become completely pointless.

How have I misunderstood? It will be pointless if you fail to elaborate when people don't understand your point.

I think that one of the really good things about social media is that it enables people to lobby together and to speak truth to power.

I don't agree that this discussion is pointless. I am finding it very eye opening indeed.

@mustlovegin please report any incitement you have seen on the thread as I may have missed some as not read it all but I'm sure incitement breaches MNs rules.

speak truth to power

Your truth, you mean?

It is sad that he saw fit to make such unpleasant comments.

He needs to take a leaf out of his sister's book - she is always polite and pleasant to contestants on Only Connect, especially when the chips are down for them.

What an unpleasant man.

@RaquelOak

I think that one of the really good things about social media is that it enables people to lobby together and to speak truth to power.

Exactly.

she said that they’d had lots of calls from people cancelling their accounts because of Giles Coren

I find that really hard to believe tbh (that she'd say that, not that people are cancelling because of Giles!)

You will get into trouble IRL if you don't, you'd better look it up

Have you looked it up yet?

you'd better look it up

It happens on Twitter all the time. On this thread the 'calls for action in order to ensure someone is brought down' are more subtle i.e. providing links, urging others to 'do the same' if they dislike him, etc

Not something nice and 'virtuous people would do IMO

Who claims to be virtuous?

Virtuous is very different to simply not being a cunt.

So there isn't any incitement on this thread then? Yes thought so.

@mustlovegin

but it's not ok to discuss why on a public forum

Do you understand the difference between a simple discussion and incitement? You will get into trouble IRL if you don't, you'd better look it up

Just checked Wikipedia. Incitement in legal terms:

In criminal law,incitementis the encouragement of another person to commit a crime.

Please explain how encouraging someone to cancel their newspaper subscription is a crime?

What is the problem with telling people here is how they can exercise their democratic right to complain to the BBC about how their license fee is being used?

They can use their freedom of choice and thought to decide whether or not they want to do that.

It’s not like inciting violence or racial hatred.

at the dark warnings that people on this thread might get in trouble for 'incitement'

And while we’re at it, having cancelled my Times subscription it also irks me that Giles Coren is pratting around in Iceland, filming Amazing Hotels for the BBC, at the license payers’ expense at the same time as trolling a dead woman and exacerbating her poor mother’s grief.

In case anyone else wants to make a complaint to the BBC, here is the link (it took me 2 minutes during my daughter’s dance rehearsal): www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint/#/Complaint

I'm fine speaking my truth to power. My truth isn't incitement. My truth isn't cancel culture. My truth isn't ganging up. My truth isn't bullying or committing atrocities or any of the other hyperbolic bullshit you and @Bryonyshcmyony are accusing people of@mustlovegin.🙄

My truth is that I no longer wish to financially support arseholes who use their platform in ways that are seriously damaging, IMO, and then don the mantle of victimhood when their vileness is exposed. And I will no longer give my money to the system at the Times that rewards their behaviour.