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To fall out with friend/landlord who has outstayed their welcome

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Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 19/07/2021 15:29

Hope you wise lot can advise if I am being unreasonable. Will bullet point as to not drip feed...

Was meant to buy a house with DH last spring
I got Covid and ended up with Long covid (Only recently been discharged from hub)
DH was furloughed too so ended up skint and surviving on deposit money as not entitled to help from government
Landlord wanted to rent house to a family member so we had to find somewhere else at short notice.
Friend who wanted to live abroad said we could rent his property and if we liked it and got ourselves straight could buy it at some point so he could use the money to purchase a property abroad
So September last year, we moved in and have a full AST tenancy agreement. Deposit in a scheme all done correctly.
We are laid back people for the most part and we offered to store his motor home in back garden and his bed/household and garden items should we decide not to buy/ continue with tenancy and he needed to stay there at some point.

As I started to rehabilitate and I thought we would buy the property, we started to decorate (It was tired, and bare no lightshades/curtains etc scuffed and bit grimy and basic)
My DH who is a builder and joiner put fitted wardrobes in all 3 bedrooms and improvements too numerous to mention. Had it not been done by my DH and used companies approx 3.5K of improvements/decorating.

I when feeling better some days as not working did extensive cleaning gardening etc.

Friend /Landlord messages from abroad. The country he is staying in was going into lockdown and he was not very well needed hospital etc he was coming back. As a friend (worried about him) in a pandemic etc I offered that he could come and stay as long as he needed to and get himself sorted.

He returned with his large motor home (he has two) and stayed in a spare room with full use of the house as a guest. after 3 or so days he spoke to me that his plans had changed and he wanted to release the money from his house (owned outright) I said that was find and now we are getting on our feet I would look into getting a mortgage.
Brokers were charging 350 quid so I used an online free service and had a mortgage agreed in principle.

He went into hospital briefly but could not find anything wrong with his stomach at all except lazy bowel and depression.

In April me and DH saw a conservatory on FB selling site which we bought cheaply but took 12 hours to dismantle. We checked with Friend first that he would be okay to erect this as we planned to buy house in future. He agreed to this providing we followed regulations etc.

Friend/Landlord comes out of hospital it is clear he is not in a good place mentally. Will not leave the house, so I do all shopping/ collect laxatives etc from chemists.
Starts to ask when we are doing foundations for Conservatory? Feel a bit pressured so DH takes some annual leave to dig a 18 inch trench and collects material approx 450 quid with concrete mixer etc.

Friend/Landlord changes mind about selling house - not in a good place needs more time etc.

I tell him that now we have a mortgage in place we will look for an alternative home due to our ages and its not a problem. But we will not put the conservatory up now and take it with us. He is not happy due to this, says we have spoilt his garden etc. So we put all back to how it was minus a water feature (dilapidated) and some grass patches which are growing back.

It is clear at this point he is not going anywhere soon. After 4 weeks he pays 100quid into my account as he has been living here and using everything except buyin himself a small amount of fresh food, but uses washing powder/sugar etc.

As stated we are not wealthy right now due to my health etc.

He becomes increasingly picky, told not to vape in house, use tumble drier at certain times/ cook bacon as it makes him feel sick on and on.

Asking when we are taking a small amount of rubbish to tip/ on and on picking

A few weeks ago I was to do a house swap with my parents as we live 4 hours away from each other and catch up with friend and family who we had not seen due to Covid for over a year.

He refused to leave the house so my mum could stay. He said it broke the tenancy agreement and his insurance. My Mum had to cancel many of her 70th birthday plans as a result.

As my son and partner who have worked al through the pandemic as key workers were coming with us we had no choice but to hire a caravan at a cost of 750 quid at short notice. I told friend that I would not pay rent that month due to his refusal to leave . He agreed after a lengthy argument.

Every house we look at has gone to full and final bids and we have been gazumped. As the tension is unbearable my son and his partner have offered for us to live in their flat unti we buy a house.

Frind/landlord then says he wants a receipt for the caravan to claim on his landlords insurance. I told him he needs to leave I am told end of July.

Stop stalking to him as he twists everything I say. He is a very difficult man. Both his children do not speak to him nor he step kids. He has one other friend.

He is now claiming that as I invited him to stay he is a lodger!

My tenancy ends in 7 weeks. So I found out my rights a few weeks back. He has been harassing me when are we leaving. He clearly wants his house back but we have lots to put in storage as the flat is small and who knows how long a house sale could take to go through

I feel harrassed and unsafe in my own home. He confronted me today saying when I was away he spoke to solicitor that he has rights to stay there as a lodger and I need to give him 4 weeks notice!

I have also spoken to a solicitor and am well aware of my tenancy rights. He seemed to back track then and siad he was leaving at end of month to stay with his Nephew for a month.

I told him not to come back until tenancy agreement and notice period ahd ended, and anyway he has a large motor home to live in.

He claims as he gives me 100 a month he has right. he has been here 15 weeks and given me 200 so far which equates to 13.33 a week. WHERE COULD YOU LIVE FOR THAT. He said he only has two showers a week?

Told him no more friendship, he needs to be gone asap and not return. Will store his stuff and camper van on the understanding my deposit gets returned in full and we never speak again.

My DH is at the end of his tether with the conflict and I feel pretty intimidated too.

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OneHundredTrees · 20/07/2021 18:24

Fantastic, OP. Well done.

PyjamaFan · 20/07/2021 18:39

Oh wow.

Well done OP!

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/07/2021 18:49

This is brilliant!
It’s great your dh can easily install cc tv / change the locks.

Once you’re feeling stronger, I agree with a op. I would remove the wardrobes and make good. You agreed to install them based on purchasing the property.

The main thing is don’t be driven from your home. And deffo shop him for benefit fraud! Maybe leave it a few weeks so he doesn’t realise it’s you.

livingwitheds1984 · 20/07/2021 19:06

I'm glad you are safe, OP, and good idea to find a house of your own asap. Threatening to force him to evict you from his house will only lead to more stress and chaos. The whole thing sounds like such a mess. How on earth does that even work legally, to be a lodger in your own house?

I'm not saying this to be unkind, but I've always rented and honestly installing built-in wardrobes and a conservatory and arranging house swaps for a house you're only renting is not something most landlords would tolerate.

Dutch1e · 20/07/2021 19:33

You sound incredibly entitled.

I have RTFT and still can't get over this comment. The fucking landlord was squatting in the fucking house! My god, some people.

Anyway, well done OP. The entire situation must have been a nightmare and although I agree with removing every change you've made to the house, they were made in good faith and the arsehole owner doesn't deserve a splinter of those built-ins.

Hope you have a lovely peaceful time from now on.

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 20/07/2021 20:12

@livingwitheds1984 we had full permission to this. In fact the last bedroom the one he stayed he urged us to do it as we said we were not going to buy it. But he said I might change my mind and sell it to you. Its been cat and mouse all along. The police officer said he was telling her he was a lodger with rights, but as landlord and us with AST she told him he had to go as you cant be landlord and lodger.
Reflecting on it, he wanted me gone when he came back. Its been a campaign really. To say both motor homes not working then to drive away in one! Yeah right. Had I not locked him out he would still be here plotting doing his grubby and grabby schemes. Evil sad lonely friendless man. Hope what goes round comes round.

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VeryLongBeeeeep · 21/07/2021 10:52

@pineapplecat21

ESA is means tested, he shouldn't be getting full whack. It depends what he claims pip for but no he shouldn't be doing active sports etc if you get pip you tend to need someone to support you and your disabilities.
This is utter bollocks. Contributions-based ESA is non-means-tested, and people can claim PIP for mental disabilities which would not affect a person's ability to take part in sport - in fact for many MH conditions it would be highly recommended to do so.
Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 21/07/2021 12:08

The PIP is for bad back ESA too. But checking the guidelines you are not supposed to leave UK for more than 28 days. He is clearly a liar. Found this out due to paperwork under the bed tidying up today.

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pineapplecat21 · 21/07/2021 13:02

Bad back while doing active sports? Pffft shop him.

livingwitheds1984 · 21/07/2021 19:59

if you get pip you tend to need someone to support you and your disabilities.

As a PIP recipient who works with other disabled people, this is complete and utter bollocks.

PaulaTrilloe · 22/07/2021 03:46

If he is claiming benefits and you are in his home is there the possibility that DWP may perceive him as co-habiting with you, which might impact on his benefits? Had a female friend who had a male lodger who started to claim UC and DWP have lodger hard time. Despite female friend having a non resident partner,! Sounds like his travels might be against benefit rules.

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 22/07/2021 10:13

Dont think so as me and DH have a joint tenancy agreement as married couple

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LakieLady · 22/07/2021 12:58

@pineapplecat21

ESA is means tested, he shouldn't be getting full whack. It depends what he claims pip for but no he shouldn't be doing active sports etc if you get pip you tend to need someone to support you and your disabilities.
This is so wrong.

It is entirely possible to qualify for PIP on MH or LD grounds alone.

I do a PIP application most weeks, sometimes 2, and have got the daily living component for a client who cycled 100+ miles every few days and for someone who did a very physical job as a gardener.

And the only ESA you can claim now isn't means tested at all (all means tested benefits for people of working age have been replaced by UC), it's contribution-based.

canigooutyet · 22/07/2021 14:33

It depends what he claims pip for but no he shouldn't be doing active sports etc if you get pip you tend to need someone to support you and your disabilities.

News to me. I get PIP including mobility and don't have another adult to support me. A part of my issues includes back problems after an accident in my early teens. If I didn't exercise when I can, this and other joint issues I have would deteriorate. Never mind some of the other stuff I have. I am encouraged by the health professionals to do this and at times have had a gym pass given to encourage this. All this is known by PIP who do contact the various departments that work with me.

Think you are confused about adult and child claims with the support bit.

canigooutyet · 22/07/2021 14:34

Oh and lets not forget with PIP you can work.

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 22/07/2021 15:18

Yes its all very confusing, but do the government really pay people who are able to drive 4000 miles across Europe to Turkey in a motor home alone. Then settle there to bike fish, climb, live alone, cook, shop etc independentely with no support?
For 8 months? Year before 10?
Its funding a certain lifestyle that in any way is disabled? He has been claiming for 8 years.

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canigooutyet · 22/07/2021 15:43

I can do those things and more without support. The government give people PIP if they also work. They don't say well you cannot have it because you work in.....

They have been assessed by PIP and it's not like you can say well my back hurts so give me money., They will have been assessed and be given the award for X amount of time and reapply preferably around 6 months before it ends.

It is extremely difficult to get. Did you never read news articles about claimants being rejected?

Do you even know what the PIP payments are for?
It's to meet those extra costs we incur because we aren't well. It's to help us pay for towards treatments and therapies not covered under the NHS. And yes, it can also be used to go on holiday even to warmer climates where the heat and sun can be more beneficial than staying in cold, rainy England. It's to pay for any aides that make our lives just that little bit easier.

Even cabbies and bus drivers can get PIP.

canigooutyet · 22/07/2021 15:45

And you do realise that there are expats living in places like Spain that get their pension from the UK including the winter fuel thing and more? Come back as and when for treatment here (although that has now changed due to Brexit).

KittenKins · 22/07/2021 16:25

Regarding PIP, the guidelines state you can go abroad for up to 13 weeks (26 for medical treatment) but you have to notify them if you plan to be away for over four. They usually ask some questions, & can pause a claim. www.gov.uk/claim-benefits-abroad/disability-benefits

Council tax support can be paid to home owners, it depends on the area, see here www.gov.uk/apply-council-tax-reduction for your area.

I'd be surprised if he qualified because he has let the property to you, whatever the a*se now claims. I doubt he even informed the dwp regarding his holidays, you can report him here www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud

I wish you all you all the luck in the future, I can see you were trying to do a good thing.

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 24/07/2021 11:42

More developments...the notice he gave me not on form 6a for section 21. More to the point, I have no gas certificatr, EPC cert, or electrical safety cert. So he cant give notice anyways. Also his insurance policy would be void.
He paid 312 quid for top insurance policy to claim for carpets etc. Get a feeling he going to claim whatever, however we leave it.
Finally sent me deposit scheme no. By email with his friend ( who has nothing to do with this) copied in. I emailed back saying he in breach of data protection act. Then emailed his friend to say please do not involve yourself its with solicitor and this is viewed as intimidation. The guy is really on thin ice now. I have had an offer accepted on a house now with no chain, so fingers crossed be out of there no longer than 12 weeks if all ok. Feel like suing him quite frankly.

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BrozTito · 24/07/2021 12:06

This tit is going to land himself in the bighouse

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 24/07/2021 12:53

Unbelievable grabbing at whatever easy money he can get while doing zilch. I not really sure whether I can sue him and on what grounds. He put me through hell for sure.

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StartingGrid · 24/07/2021 19:22

AFAIK he had to protect the deposit within 30 days, having done so now doesn't get him off the hook for the penalty just means any s21 he served wouldn't be invalidated on those grounds. No gas safety cert you can report him to HSE.

Truthseeker34 · 24/07/2021 19:55

This isn't going to be a popular opinion , but I am gobsmacked at your attitude. It is his house , he was a friend , who cares if you were a tenant, if he wanted it back you should have and gone to the flat you were offered. I am at a loss at how you think you were hard done by , he was off with you because he wanted his house back. I'm disgusted quite honestly

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 24/07/2021 20:02

@Truthseeker34 With all respect you need to rtwt. At no point was I offered a fkat! Are you confusing this thread with another.
The law in UK clearly states if you have an AST agreement, whoever owns it its YOUR HOME until correct notice on either side is given. Or you could have Landlords turfing people out all the time. People who have newborn babies/ disabled or need to sort out another home.
Ha ha please be disgusted. Are youbmy Landlord Hmm

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