To wonder how anyone can think Boris Johnson is doing a good job

[Katekarate]

Can't believe the mess of opening everything up Monday when the cases are going up so quickly. And when he gives speeches they're almost incoherent most of the time. I'm wondering who can look at how it's all going and not despair, I think he's rubbish at the job.

ancientgran

And I thought you were being rude to me - the only reason you highlighted my post was to tell me you were not interested. Just skip over/ignore posts you don't find relevant - Brefugee indicated that she was posting from Germany.

He makes an excellent case for Scottish Independence
He really does! Far more people up here are going over to thinking that inc me

Not really reflected in recent polling:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

@Clavinova

ancientgran

And I thought you were being rude to me - the only reason you highlighted my post was to tell me you were not interested. Just skip over/ignore posts you don't find relevant - Brefugee indicated that she was posting from Germany.

Like I said it wasn't a private conversation, other people can comment. If you want a private conversation this isn't the place is it?

Why didn't you skip over mine? Was it because you wanted to comment on what I said? I suppose it was and I wanted to comment on what you said.

Polls don't catch everyone! A lot are self selecting. I've never been asked, I was commenting based on own experience of not only me changing my mind but most of the Scots I know too

Graphista
Got a vaccine? again no. I'm housebound I'm still waiting on 1st vaccine been chasing since March and even my gp and therapist have been chasing on my behalf too

Isn't that down to NHS Scotland?

ancientgran

It's not up to you to decide what's relevant on a thread and what isn't.

Why didn't you skip over mine?

Mainly because you highlighted my username in your post.

Doesn't MN bleat on about Johnson...?

Johnson was elected and we have to put up with him until such time as he is voted out.

We had that patronising dolt Thatcher, and that simpering nauseating idiot Blair and that self-satisfied, shiny faced hypocrite Cameron, and had to endure all of them till they were got rid of.

So grow up.

But he’s none of those things.

If he were then we wouldn’t be in the mess we are.

Theresa May proves that there was a “least worst” way of negotiating Brexit. She was laughed out of parliament. The “deal” we’ve ended up with is so much worse than her offer.

I am not a big fan of the Tory party, but - even acknowledging that the pandemic would have been difficult for any leader to deal with - he and his team have repeatedly ignored the specialist advice of Chris Whitty et al, who could have guided us through this so much more efficiently had their knowledge and experience been utilised.

Tory voter or not, we need to agree that the team currently in place and led by BJ is failing the country.

I absolutely believe that so many decisions have been made to the detriment of the majority but explicitly to advantage the few. Look at the exponential increase in personal wealth of Rees-Mohr and the like, who have doubled and tripled their wealth in the last two years.

Rory Stewart would have been a far better and more trustworthy person to steer us through, I also believe Teresa May would have done a decent job. They are both a billion times more trustworthy than BJ and his shower of shit.

there have been some PPE Scandals. But nothing like bunging your mates 37million quid and so on and so on.

And the politicians involved have mostly resigned.

*Doesn't MN bleat on about Johnson...?

Johnson was elected and we have to put up with him until such time as he is voted out.

We had that patronising dolt Thatcher, and that simpering nauseating idiot Blair and that self-satisfied, shiny faced hypocrite Cameron, and had to endure all of them till they were got rid of.

So grow up.*

Bizarre post. We're allowed to pass comment on our PM thanks. Particularly a very incompetent one. In any case it's not just MN discussing him or bleating on as you put it like it's some kind of niche topic

there have been some PPE Scandals. But nothing like bunging your mates 37million quid and so on and so on.

The test and trace budget was £37 BILLION! This is the budget for two years according to Full fact

sorry, yes, billion. I am aghast.

One thing that crops up when my friends here ask me about is Johnson's provable lying. He lies and lies about everything, it's as though it's compulsive. He can't help himself. Provable lies. He should be unacceptable for that alone.

he is useless and a lying incompotent , one of the worst we have ever had , people are focused on him opening up on 19 july and how wrong that is ,but if not now then when , its everything else for me , the way he consistantly stabbed teresa may to undermine her , the hash and lies about brexit , the failure to fire domonic cummings and matt hancock over their fuck ups , its so corrupt its unbeliveable ..

i cant stand the man ,but as others have said he was only voted in by his promise to deliver brexit which meant all the brexiters voted for him , the awful thing is there is no viable really good alternative to him either

£37 billion is such a massive amount isn't it. And yet they couldn't do the free school meals?

'Its easy to criticise with hindsight', 'he is dealing with unprecedented events'.

No he is not, he is dealing with a pandemic, of which there have been plenty before. And plenty data around which clearly shows that the harder and earlier you locked down and shut schools, the less people died. It was all doing the rounds on social media last February, when people could see what was happening in china then in Italy and Spain a number of months before the uk. Why he thought the uk, with one of the least funded health systems in the EU would fare better than our immediate neighbours is beyond me. We are an island, we have a great geographical advantage over places like France but instead of preparing for it we held international football matches, Cheltenham races and Boris went around shaking peoples hands in hospitals to prove how all the scientists were over reacting.

I dont blame him for not knowing how bad covid would be. I blame him for -
Seeing how bad it was in other European countries and ignoring it
Thinking he knew better than scientists that were warning him that delaying lockdown by x days would cause y deaths
Making the same mistake twice and telling everyone they could have xmas with their families when scientists and your typical man on the street could see cases were doubling ever few weeks, leading to an inevitable lockdown that was twice as long as it needed to be
Consistently and deliberately lying about everything and anything, repeatedly.

People have such low expectations of politicians...'they all lie'. No they don't, and that's not a reason to keep a complete idiot in power

@Clavinova Scotland is still part of the Uk as far as I'm aware and I was responding to a pps question on the matter where they were assuming everyone who wanted a vaccine was able to get one

Tory voter or not, we need to agree that the team currently in place and led by BJ is failing the country

Absolutely. Even my Tory voting friends and family are in despair at how much he and this govt are cocking it all up! At least 2 of them lifelong Tory voters in their 70's have outright stated they'll never vote Tory again. Losing "bread and butter" Tory voters should be of concern to the tories at least.

Rory Stewart would have been a far better and more trustworthy person to steer us through

Based on what? He's hardly a bastion of integrity himself

@Brefugee am I right in thinking you are also a follower of Peter stefanovic?

"£37 billion is such a massive amount isn't it. And yet they couldn't do the free school meals?"

That's kinda the point isn't it. They COULD do fsm, they COULD properly fund the nhs, they COULD address the housing crisis...

They are CHOOSING Not to as they don't gaf about ordinary people. In that respect Johnson is honest in his actions at least as previous Tory leaders and governments at least mid 20th century on always fudged and misled on that score.

Hmmm I think one thing that is clear is that the majority of people care only for themselves. Free school meals- no let them go hungry it's their mothers fault ( and yes it is mothers who get the blame not fathers). Better health care - no they should start making better choices to become healthier. More money spent on schools- not from my taxes mate, bollocks to that. More money spent on better housing- are you joking? Let the poor sleep on the streets or in substandard accomidation, better still try and ensure they always have to rent. More money spent on care for the elderly - no they can sort themselves out - again not from my taxes mate.

I expect those who hate the French probably are in agreement with the decision to change travel restrictions, which are economic sanctions in disguise, not supported by the data and without an understanding of the differences between the French mainland and the other French territories.

I think one thing that is clear is that the majority of people care only for themselves

That was abundantly obvious in the run up to the last election. The vast majority of Tory voting decisions seemed to be predicated on not wanting to pay more tax. That went well - this government’s spending exceeds Labour’s wildest dreams and we’re all going to pay for it.

I'd like to hope that's not the majority of people though Onlinedilema
On free school meals at least, there was a lot of pressure and people were not happy about it.

I think some people voted Tory as least worst option at the time of the election, which I get, but now there must be a significant number of them who can see that Boris Johnson is an absolute disaster as PM. It's not Johnson-v-Corbyn any more, it's Johnson -v- absolutely any competent sensible person in the middle of a pandemic.

I remember at the very start of the pandemic listening to a history podcast about the Spanish Flu and they said about moving quickly and about facemasks. Remember how long it took the Government to say about facemasks? at first they said they weren't needed. There was so much that should and could have been done that wasn't.

@Blossomtoes

I think one thing that is clear is that the majority of people care only for themselves

That was abundantly obvious in the run up to the last election. The vast majority of Tory voting decisions seemed to be predicated on not wanting to pay more tax. That went well - this government’s spending exceeds Labour’s wildest dreams and we’re all going to pay for it.

Absolutely.

@Blossomtoes

I think one thing that is clear is that the majority of people care only for themselves

That was abundantly obvious in the run up to the last election. The vast majority of Tory voting decisions seemed to be predicated on not wanting to pay more tax. That went well - this government’s spending exceeds Labour’s wildest dreams and we’re all going to pay for it.

That would be the case whoever was in power. Or do you think Labour would have magically got us through the pandemic without massive spending? Mistakes have been made, it’s true, but ince again hindsight is a wonderful tool.

That would be the case whoever was in power. Or do you think Labour would have magically got us through the pandemic without massive spending? Mistakes have been made, it’s true, but ince again hindsight is a wonderful tool.

I think Labour would have likely got the NHS to handle test and trace and not spent £37 billion on it.

Saying hindsight is not really cutting it - a lot of what has been got wrong can be seen in advance. Like now, opening up everything, masks off and having 'freedom day' in the middle of cases shooting up

Brefugee am I right in thinking you are also a follower of Peter stefanovic?

I do follow him on twitter - but i haven't watched his film yet.

Personally i don't really care what stripe of government it is if they handle things properly. If there had been accountability, not the 37 billion (I still can't wrap my head round that number), listening to the experts and not being all wibbly-wobbly about the first lockdown etc.

But the thing that gets me the most is the bloody lying. All the lying.

I can’t wrap my head around the lying. If we weren’t in the middle of all this it would be really fascinating. The way some people (my Dad included) pretty much think he can do no wrong.

Time and time he fucks up, you can see it happening a mile off. I find myself thinking weird thoughts like I wish May was still here or wish Hunt had won the leadership contest and I can’t stand either of them.