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To find these headlines on the bbc website disturbing?

305 replies

malificent7 · 06/07/2021 12:34

So apparently the unvaccinated will be treated " differently."
I have both jabs, I agree with vaccination and think some reasons against vaccination are unscientific but I think it is very disturbing that our bodily autonomy and right to choose is being eroded.
Ok...I get that pregnant and elderly people should not be protected but if they are double jabbed what is the problem with coming into contact with the unvaccinated?
One of my closest mates had an extreme reaction to the vaccine...I had no issues at all but I dont feel comfortable with this.
I am no conspiracy theorist either.

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BarbarasStripedHands · 06/07/2021 16:08

Imagine choosing not to get vaccinated (not those who can't) and then moaning that the ones who have - the one's who have meant that these restrictions can end - get special treatment.

If you're that arsed, go and get vaccinated.

JaneTheVirgin · 06/07/2021 16:12

If people are worried about being 'treated differently' they can get vaccinated.

Topseyt · 06/07/2021 16:12

It's not chilling or disturbing. It is common sense and perfectly rational.

SirNHSoftheUnderpaid · 06/07/2021 16:14

And yet they don't want to take the 'risk' with the 'untested' Hmm vaccine, but are happy to present to hospital to receive treatment from and shed virus all over people who did agree to be vaccinated and take this risk to protect their patients (as well as themselves and their families).
The voluntarily unvaccinated are selfish hypocrites IMHO.

withlotsoflove · 06/07/2021 16:15

@warmfluffytowels
To be honest - the way in which restrictions are heading isn’t concerning me atm , as l won’t be going anywhere for a long time.
But… my choice/ feeling is based on the fact that l may never have it / or maybe already did without knowing.
I think that’s the reason for many people choosing to be hesitant right now.
I think some people ( like me) just basically want more time to see how this vaccination thing plays out.

claralara42 · 06/07/2021 16:16

I’d like to know this.Why is ok for someone to become vaccine damaged? Is that for the greater good?Is it a risk l should take?
Why has my choice to take this experimental injection become blurred?

I'd like to know why you think its ok for everyone else to take those risks on your behalf, so you can have "your freedoms back"? Why is ok for them but not for you, to the extent you think you can also whine about them getting to do things you can't?

What is wrong with people that they don't understand their actions have consequences?

withlotsoflove · 06/07/2021 16:17

@GiantWingedWaspMoth

*When my Husband went fir his second jab - he asked about the differences in the two main ones here ( UK) were. Just to be told “ they are basically the same thing!” by a nurse*

Assuming you mean astrazeneca and Pfizer, the nurse was wrong. AZ is an adenovirus vaccine, Pfizer and moderna are mRNA vaccines. They are different.

Exactly! This is the 2 he asked about. I knew this & wanted him to find out how l went about getting the Pfizer as l am over 40. The Nurse told him this & was wrong.
SirNHSoftheUnderpaid · 06/07/2021 16:18

Choices come with consequences.
Get vaccinated and make yourself less significantly contagious (if medically possible) or don't get vaccinated and instead self-isolate until you are less likely to be contagious.
Your choice. No-one is forcing you.

People who are vaccinated have accepted the 'risks' and are now significantly less contagious. That is science and statistics, not 'fair/unfair'

withlotsoflove · 06/07/2021 16:19

@claralara42
I’m not especially worried about “ freedoms”
I’m more worried about being forced ( however nicely) to make a decision in haste.

withlotsoflove · 06/07/2021 16:21

@claralara42 also, you don’t have to either do you?
You obviously wanted to.
Most of my colleagues wouldn’t touch the vaccine at one point - then the holiday carrot was dangled & off they all went.
Most humans are selfish - they understandably need a break.
I get that.
I wonder where it will end. What’s next?

GiantWingedWaspMoth · 06/07/2021 16:21

Pfizer is the unknown of the two. These are the first mRNA vaccines to have been approved for use.

Adenovirus vaccines are in use, and blood clots are not unknown - and research suggests it may not be the vaccine at fault for that. This video explains m.youtube.com/watch?v=e3lx6Scwfhg&feature=youtu.be

GiantWingedWaspMoth · 06/07/2021 16:22

[quote withlotsoflove]@claralara42
I’m not especially worried about “ freedoms”
I’m more worried about being forced ( however nicely) to make a decision in haste.[/quote]
Unless you need to have a vaccine for work, I'm not sure who is going to force you

MaxNormal · 06/07/2021 16:23

Please don't, that would be offensive. Also those comparing it to being a minority, that's really offensive. Stop it.

I've noticed, over the last couple of years, that posters are very quick to trot out the word offensive if they dislike what one is saying.
If anything is to stop, I'd quite like it to be that.

Gwenhwyfar · 06/07/2021 16:24

I'm being penalised for being vaccinated. Non-vaccinated people where I live will be given free PCR tests for travel whereas I will not.

withlotsoflove · 06/07/2021 16:25

@GiantWingedWaspMoth thank u for that link. Smile l will probably get the Pfizer hopefully.

I don’t need one for work. However, my instinct tells me it won’t stop at holidays soon.

ilovesooty · 06/07/2021 16:25

@CoopsMalloops

You can still catch and spread covid being double vaxxed so it actually doesn’t make much sense if you switch your brain on.
No need to be rude about people switching their brain on. Vaccination reduces the severity of the illness and reduces transmission. It's been covered already.
warmfluffytowels · 06/07/2021 16:27

I think some people ( like me) just basically want more time to see how this vaccination thing plays out.

I mean, that's all well and good, but the only reason you can remain unvaccinated and enjoy the end of lockdown and other restrictions is because other people have chosen to take that risk themselves.

motogogo · 06/07/2021 16:28

As I've taken the calculated risk to be vaccinated (which isn't 100%) knowing everyone else has also had the vaccine reduces my potential risk when in busy situations. Those who don't step up to be vaccinated are putting me at increased risk. Discrimination? So be it

hamstersarse · 06/07/2021 16:29

@MargaretThatcherMilkSnatcher

I want to know why the self-isolation rules aren't being changed for those who have recently had Covid, as well as those who are double-vaxxed. I mean, having Covid gives you antibodies too, even if they don't last for ever! I still have them (I'm testing myself monthly).

Other countries are allowing tourists to evade quarantine if they are double vexed OR if they can prove that they have recently recovered from Covid. Why isn't this being discussed in the UK?

Because we insisted for so long that it didn't matter if you had had Covid, you weren't immune. And we insisted very strongly that was the case - to go back on that now would erode trust (even though it is true and it actually erodes trust more not to come out and say it)

So many lies told as facts. Asymptomatic spread is still one of the lines!

claralara42 · 06/07/2021 16:30

also, you don’t have to either do you?You obviously wanted to

We DO have to, or this never ever ends. Most of us have to, so you can't. You should probably try "thank you".

TheFoundations · 06/07/2021 16:30

@malificent7

It may make sense but the phrasing IS disturbing. " Will be treated differently." Words are powerful and manipulative. So now people who are not double jabbed have being " treated differently " to look forward to. A bit like the way some minority groups are treated by the home office.
I agree with this. I don't know how else they could have phrased it, but a big headline saying 'You will be treated differently' feels at odds wit a society where being treated equally is supposed to be important. If it was anything else, you know 'Dog owners will be treated differently', 'Teetotallers will be treated differently' then those groups would feel uncomfortable.

I mean, people are all, essentially, treated differently. But a big headline announcing purely that... Doesn't feel right.

What about a big headline saying 'Self isolation to be scrapped for double jabbed', which it has now been amended to. That feels better. It means the same thing. But pointing a finger and saying 'you are going to be treated differently' is somehow menacing.

hamstersarse · 06/07/2021 16:31

My DS(19) had the AZ vaccine early on before it was withdrawn for younger people.

He had shooting chest pains and shortness of breath straight after it. He has allergies and a history of anaphylaxis reactions.

He can't feasibly have his second vaccine.

Where does this leave people who genuinely can't have the vaccine?

Anonymous48 · 06/07/2021 16:31

Of course fully vaccinated people should be treated differently than people who have chosen not to bother! We are far far less likely to spread the virus or become seriously ill from it.

claralara42 · 06/07/2021 16:32

've noticed, over the last couple of years, that posters are very quick to trot out the word offensive if they dislike what one is saying

That may be, but this time, it IS offensive. To compare the percieved unfair treatment of people who chose not to get vaccinated to the unfair treatment of ethnic minorities is completely offensive, and if you don't see that, then shame on you.

ilovesooty · 06/07/2021 16:34

[quote withlotsoflove]@claralara42
I’m not especially worried about “ freedoms”
I’m more worried about being forced ( however nicely) to make a decision in haste.[/quote]
A decision that millions of people have been able to make by now.