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To find these headlines on the bbc website disturbing?

305 replies

malificent7 · 06/07/2021 12:34

So apparently the unvaccinated will be treated " differently."
I have both jabs, I agree with vaccination and think some reasons against vaccination are unscientific but I think it is very disturbing that our bodily autonomy and right to choose is being eroded.
Ok...I get that pregnant and elderly people should not be protected but if they are double jabbed what is the problem with coming into contact with the unvaccinated?
One of my closest mates had an extreme reaction to the vaccine...I had no issues at all but I dont feel comfortable with this.
I am no conspiracy theorist either.

OP posts:
claralara42 · 06/07/2021 16:34

I mean, people are all, essentially, treated differently. But a big headline announcing purely that... Doesn't feel right

So your problem is that the headline is true?

TheFoundations · 06/07/2021 16:35

@Anonymous48

Of course fully vaccinated people should be treated differently than people who have chosen not to bother! We are far far less likely to spread the virus or become seriously ill from it.
Yes, but it's the way the headline was written. They've taken it down and replaced it with something less finger-pointy, now. They will have done that for a reason. It's big news, but that headline didn't stay up for more than a few minutes.
hamstersarse · 06/07/2021 16:35

@Anonymous48

Of course fully vaccinated people should be treated differently than people who have chosen not to bother! We are far far less likely to spread the virus or become seriously ill from it.
Firstly, you are very unlikely to become seriously ill from it because you have had the vaccine

I just don't get it? What are you still scared of? Either it works or it doesn't?

So then what about people like my DS who legitimately cannot take the vaccine? I get the feeling you would prefer it if he took the risk, for your own comfort.

Who is the selfish one here?

MargaretThatcherMilkSnatcher · 06/07/2021 16:37

[quote Eatyouroatsplease]@MargaretThatcherMilkSnatcher How can you prove it? I’m interested as had it back in March 2020, want too ill, but since then I’ve developed mcas and react badly to all kinds of things. I’m also undergoing ivf for the second time next month. I don’t want the vaccine until my body has calmed down, I feel I hopefully should have some protection?[/quote]
I've been buying antibody tests from Lloyds online.

Gladiolys · 06/07/2021 16:40

I think it is very disturbing that our bodily autonomy and right to choose is being eroded.

A person’s bodily autonomy and right to choose are not eroded by virtue of the fact that they have to face the consequences of their choice. You can’t decide that the risks of the vaccine are greater than the rewards and then complain that you’re not able to access those rewards. That is the nature of the choice you made!

It’s also important to bear in mind that there are people who can’t be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons who would also like to be able to get back to living normally, and whose ability to do so is compromised by people who could be vaccinated but choose not to be swanning around compromising herd immunity and making life harder for everyone.

Shodan · 06/07/2021 16:40

It's like choosing to own a car or not.

If you choose to own a car, you get to travel wherever you want, whenever you want- but you pay the price (petrol, taxes, insurance, MOT etc)

If you choose NOT to own a car, you can still travel wherever you want, but it will take longer and will be more complicated.

The non car owners don't get to demand lifts whenever they want, citing their 'right' to travel wherever they want without restriction. They choose not to pay the price of unrestricted travel, and that's fine- that's their choice. But they can't demand that car owners restrict their own travel plans to match them.

Those who have been vaccinated have paid the price (side effects). They get to 'travel' without the restrictions that non-vaccinators have placed on themselves.

It's a choice. You may not like the choice, but it is a choice.

withlotsoflove · 06/07/2021 16:40

@ilovesooty
Well good for them. Confused
We don’t all learn at the same pace / in the same way.
I’m not 100% at the moment. I’m very close to getting it , but - it’s just the way l feel.

I’ve met too many people with horrible side effect stories to not be upset by.
My own husband was very , very ill for about a month himself.
I can’t afford for that to happen to me too.

We all come from different perspectives & fears.

GiantWingedWaspMoth · 06/07/2021 16:41

So @hamstersarse do you think that people that have chosen not to vaccinate and have been in close contact with someone with covid, should be free to go meet your son and spend time with him without self isolating?

MargaretThatcherMilkSnatcher · 06/07/2021 16:44

@SparklyLeprechaun

It seems fair to me. I would have probably liked to see the option to remove restrictions for people who have the right level of antibodies due to catching Covid, but I don't know how easy it is to access antibodies tests.

I do feel sorry for people who can't have the vaccine due to medical reasons (DM is one of them) but the truth is, for them nothing will change. They are not having extra restrictions imposed on them, just having the current restrictions still in place, and hopefully at some point they will be lifted completely. Which still sucks, but I can't see how keeping the restrictions for everyone would make their life any better.

I am one of these people - I have booked the vaccine against the advice of my consultant because I feel so pressured into having it. I don't want my work colleagues to know my health status, or about the horrific episodes of anaphylaxis that I have suffered, or the PTSD I suffer from as a result, or the fact that half my family have died from blood clots. The fact that we are in the middle of a global pandemic does not remove my right to keep my medical history private. I absolutely accept that vaccination makes people "safer" and I don't have a problem with people being able to travel with fewer restrictions as a result, but I don't see the logic in allowing unvaccinated children and teenagers not to isolate when unvaccinated adults will still have to. Teenagers spread Covid at the same rate (or higher!) than adults do.
Catsarecool80 · 06/07/2021 16:45

I just don’t understand government policy on this

withlotsoflove · 06/07/2021 16:45

@claralara42

also, you don’t have to either do you?You obviously wanted to

We DO have to, or this never ever ends. Most of us have to, so you can't. You should probably try "thank you".

Didn’t you really want to get it then? I don’t get the “ thank you” bit of your post.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/07/2021 16:48

If people are worried about being 'treated differently' they can get vaccinated

Makes sense to me

Obviously there are those who genuinely can't be vaccinated, however I expect most of us aren't talking about those but about folk who choose not to accept the jab

And choices, as so many have said, come with consequences

itsgettingwierd · 06/07/2021 16:49

I know someone who hasn't vaccinated her children.

Refused covid jab etc.

Not an anti Vaxer as such but just not bothered about having them.

However despite refusing covid jab because they don't agree in vaccination programmes being necessary they have very openly and honestly stated if the rules for travelling etc are better for the vaccinated they'll have it done.

There's a wide variety of views and people should have bodily autonomy. But there are plenty who will have it if they see a personal benefit to them.

hamstersarse · 06/07/2021 16:51

@GiantWingedWaspMoth

So *@hamstersarse* do you think that people that have chosen not to vaccinate and have been in close contact with someone with covid, should be free to go meet your son and spend time with him without self isolating?
It's probably not a good question for me. He has had covid and one dose of AZ. He is as immune as he can be.

But he is also 19, and he would give no shits about anyone isolating ever again. So yes, he would be fine with that.

The concern is more that double vaccinated people get certain privileges

GiantWingedWaspMoth · 06/07/2021 16:55

I didn't ask what he thought. I asked what you thought.

hamstersarse · 06/07/2021 16:57

@GiantWingedWaspMoth I am very fine with it

I'm not a control freak though

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 06/07/2021 16:58

The fact that we are in the middle of a global pandemic does not remove my right to keep my medical history private.

To come at it from another angle - due to the pandemic, everyone in my workplace now knows which colleagues are CEV. I imagine some of them weren't too happy about that, but they didn't have any choice in the matter. I imagine it 's the same in a lot of workplaces. When we start going back to the office, some CEV people may have to choose between disclosing their medical status, or putting themselves at risk by mixing with people who have chosen not to get the vaccine and chosen to keep that information to themselves.

I feel sorry for anyone who is put in a difficult position re having the jab due to medical conditions, but some people lost the right to privacy long before that.

claralara42 · 06/07/2021 16:58

Didn’t you really want to get it then?

I wanted to get it, because it's the best thing for everyone if I did. It's called "not being a selfish asshat".

I don’t get the “ thank you” bit of your post

No, I don't expect you do. Sad, really.

GiantWingedWaspMoth · 06/07/2021 17:04

[quote hamstersarse]@GiantWingedWaspMoth I am very fine with it

I'm not a control freak though[/quote]
I'm not sure how wanting your son to be safe from other people that may have coronavirus would equal being a control freak...

hamstersarse · 06/07/2021 17:09

@GiantWingedWaspMoth I don't suppose you can see that!

It's something to do with telling other people what they should do with their lives?

Pedalpushers · 06/07/2021 17:09

@Gladiolys has it right. You still have a right to choose, you just don't have a right to decide what you choose between. Like with everything else.

withlotsoflove · 06/07/2021 17:12

@claralara42

Didn’t you really want to get it then?

I wanted to get it, because it's the best thing for everyone if I did. It's called "not being a selfish asshat".

I don’t get the “ thank you” bit of your post

No, I don't expect you do. Sad, really.

It’s a shame you’ve decided to engage so rudely with me. You have no idea what goodness l do for people in my life. You’ve latched on the vaccination thing & run with it. Shame on you.
GiantWingedWaspMoth · 06/07/2021 17:13

[quote hamstersarse]@GiantWingedWaspMoth I don't suppose you can see that!

It's something to do with telling other people what they should do with their lives?[/quote]
Oh dear. I didn't suggest you tell anyone how to live their lives. There's a big difference in wanting something to be the case and telling people that it has to be that way.

This whole thread is proof of that!

roguetomato · 06/07/2021 17:30

@hamstersarse your ds may not care about the risks, but many other who cannot take vaccine might. Heard immunity protect those who can't get vaccinated themselves by suppressing the spread.

Temp023 · 06/07/2021 17:37

No-one is being held down and stabbed with a needle.
If you genuinely can’t have the vaccine then that is one thing, but those that are too precious to “risk” having the thing can stay locked in their houses until they are carried out feet first as far as I am concerned.
If you want to travel and go to bars and work in care homes etc. Have the bloody vaccine, it’s not difficult!