To find these headlines on the bbc website disturbing?

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So apparently the unvaccinated will be treated " differently."
I have both jabs, I agree with vaccination and think some reasons against vaccination are unscientific but I think it is very disturbing that our bodily autonomy and right to choose is being eroded.
Ok...I get that pregnant and elderly people should not be protected but if they are double jabbed what is the problem with coming into contact with the unvaccinated?
One of my closest mates had an extreme reaction to the vaccine...I had no issues at all but I dont feel comfortable with this.
I am no conspiracy theorist either.

Someone who’s had both vaccinations is a much lower risk to develop and spread covid. It’s that simple. So if someone chooses not to take that protection then they need to stick to other measures like isolation after contact with a case to protect those around them.

@hamstersarse

My DS(19) had the AZ vaccine early on before it was withdrawn for younger people.

He had shooting chest pains and shortness of breath straight after it. He has allergies and a history of anaphylaxis reactions.

He can't feasibly have his second vaccine.

Where does this leave people who genuinely can't have the vaccine?

Sadly, it’s safer for everyone if those people self isolate too. It’s not a punishment. It’s a health measure. Anyone who has a high chance of passing on the virus should need to isolate. The only difference is I feel sorry for people like your son and I don’t for anti-vaxers.

they have said they want the second jab to be at 8 weeks - even though the evidence suggests a 12 week gap works best.. I can't help but think someone will be making money from the 'boosters' needed

@hamstersarse there were two cases of repeat infection with different variants of covid in the early months of the pandemic. In one case, the second infection wasn't serious, in another case the guy died. So not a lie, a known risk that has since been quantified with experience and increased numbers.

And asymptomatic spread is very much a thing, and always has been. One of the very first UK super spreaders - back in March - was famously asymptomatic.

The liars are the people you're reading who are telling you otherwise.

@claralara42 I didn't actually post anything making that comparison, I was told I was offensive for pointing out that coerced consent is an uncomfortable concept and this is easy to see if one applies it to for instance sexual consent.

That being said, if people are unable to have the vaccine due to medical history, then treating differently is indeed an issue of discrimination and I'm baffled as to how pointing that out could be considered anything but reasonable.

If you find any posts offensive, do report them, I'm sure if they genuinely are, they will be deleted.

But I won't have people trying to shut me up by lazily calling my points "offensive" because they don't care for them.

@Reallybadidea you say that but yet they still reckon more people will die from being double jabbed than anyone else?

Already reports coming in from Israel Pfizer not working as well...

Sets a dangerous precedent - so if you refuse a flu jab/mmr jab if offered should you have restrictions?

This country is fucked!

[quote CantGetNoSleep73]@Reallybadidea you say that but yet they still reckon more people will die from being double jabbed than anyone else?

Already reports coming in from Israel Pfizer not working as well...

Sets a dangerous precedent - so if you refuse a flu jab/mmr jab if offered should you have restrictions?

This country is fucked![/quote]
Who says that?

@watingroom2

they have said they want the second jab to be at 8 weeks - even though the evidence suggests a 12 week gap works best.. I can't help but think someone will be making money from the 'boosters' needed

No, that's not true. Research has shown that optimum cover is at around 8 weeks. Which is why most people are now being given their second dose around then.

[quote CantGetNoSleep73]@Reallybadidea you say that but yet they still reckon more people will die from being double jabbed than anyone else?

Already reports coming in from Israel Pfizer not working as well...

Sets a dangerous precedent - so if you refuse a flu jab/mmr jab if offered should you have restrictions?

This country is fucked![/quote]
They? Who is they? Do you have a link for this worrying eventuality?
More people will die from the second jab than anyone else- what does the "anyone else" refer to?

@Reallybadidea, I think you omitted the last bit of your sentence about Pfizer/Israel. "not working as well ON THE DELTA VARIANT BUT STILL PREVENTING SERIOUS ILLNESS"

You're welcome.

We've known that Pfizer isn't as effective at preventing infection of the Delta variant than it was for earlier variants. This isn't new information.

But the data coming out of Israel is suggesting 93% effectiveness at preventing serious illness and hospitalisation. It's no small figure.

[quote CantGetNoSleep73]@Reallybadidea you say that but yet they still reckon more people will die from being double jabbed than anyone else?

Already reports coming in from Israel Pfizer not working as well...

Sets a dangerous precedent - so if you refuse a flu jab/mmr jab if offered should you have restrictions?

This country is fucked![/quote]
Yes I would love to know who this mysterious "they" are. Whoever "they" are I can assure you that it's rubbish. I hope you come back to explain. Posts like this almost never get an explanation that itsn't a link to a dodgy site.

I find it disturbing OP. It's basically making people reveal part of their health status
We're not being asked to publish our patient record on the internet.

@Lilypansy

I find it disturbing OP. It's basically making people reveal part of their health status We're not being asked to publish our patient record on the internet.

Nobody has suggested that that's the case.

We're not being asked to publish our patient record on the internet.hmm

Nobody has suggested that that's the case
The comment suggests that the person objects to people knowing whether or not he / she has been vaccinated. What's the problem?

@imeanreeally - the fact I've had a vaccine!

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

The fact that we are in the middle of a global pandemic does not remove my right to keep my medical history private.

To come at it from another angle - due to the pandemic, everyone in my workplace now knows which colleagues are CEV. I imagine some of them weren't too happy about that, but they didn't have any choice in the matter. I imagine it 's the same in a lot of workplaces. When we start going back to the office, some CEV people may have to choose between disclosing their medical status, or putting themselves at risk by mixing with people who have chosen not to get the vaccine and chosen to keep that information to themselves.

I feel sorry for anyone who is put in a difficult position re having the jab due to medical conditions, but some people lost the right to privacy long before that.

Oh dear god it's not a race to the bottom

@Reallybadidea the government said in a report the most likely to die were still the double vaccinated.

[quote CantGetNoSleep73]@Reallybadidea the government said in a report the most likely to die were still the double vaccinated.
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Which report? Do you have a link?

@Reallybadidea, I think you omitted the last bit of your sentence about Pfizer/Israel. "not working as well ON THE DELTA VARIANT BUT STILL PREVENTING SERIOUS ILLNESS"

You're welcome.

@Geamhradh You've mis-@-ed me.

[quote CantGetNoSleep73]@Reallybadidea the government said in a report the most likely to die were still the double vaccinated.
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Most likely? Or just more people?

More over 50's died in June that were double vaccinated than not. But over 90% of over 50s are vaccinated. Despite lower numbers of unvaccinated dying, they were still more likely to die - i.e. a much higher percentage of unvaccinated died, even though they were fewer in number.

CoopsMalloops
You can still catch and spread covid being double vaxxed so it actually doesn’t make much sense if you switch your brain on.

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If you have read any of the research and reports you will know, however, that once double vaccinated you are less likely to catch covid.
Also, if unlucky enough to still catch it the risk of you transmitting it to others is also much reduced.

So actually, it makes a lot of sense.

• Those who are less likely to catch and/or transmit it are able to have less restrictions.
• Those who have chosen not to reduce the risk of them catching and transmitting it will need to be subjected to the restrictions, such as self isolation, for a bit longer.

All choices come with consequences.
This is no difference, you won't be forced to have the vaccine but, in the short term, you will have continued restrictions.

[quote CantGetNoSleep73]@Reallybadidea the government said in a report the most likely to die were still the double vaccinated.
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Yes, but this is to be expected www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make tbh.

@PattyPan I had whooping cough a couple of years ago and got a letter from PHE telling me I had to stay at home for two weeks and stay away from babies and pregnant women. Can’t believe my rights were restricted in this way!!!

I don't think anyone is saying they shouldn't have to isolate if they are ill?

They're saying they shouldn't have to isolate if they're healthy.

I find it disturbing OP. It's basically making people reveal part of their health status

No one seemed too concerned when the CEV and CV people were expected to declare their health status in order to shield or work from home to protect themselves during the previous lockdowns.

Wonder if the same people complaining that someone knowing they are vaccinated or not we're equally as concerned when it was vulnerable people being expected to declare their medical conditions, and often far more personal information then whether they'd be jabbed or not!