Sending my kids to alternate childcare because provider won't have vaccine

[Mummyandthree]

My kids are currently having to isolate because their childminder and partner have tested positive for covid. In chatting childminder has said she won't be having the vaccine because she believes it does more harm than good.

My parents are mega annoyed with this (older grandparents) and they've made their thoughts known, I also don't actually need to use her services anymore but as she is an old friend I have been doing because I felt bad removing them altogether.

Just not sure if I'm being an idiot over it? I mean does it matter if she doesn't get vaccinated? It's her choice. But as she comes into contact with loads of different kids and doesn't know if any of these kids family members are vulnerable isn't that wrong? Surely she has a duty of care to the kids and their families.

I would withdraw my child too. Apart from the risk to their health, it will be infuriating for you if your kids have to keep isolating every time she catches Covid.

Imo people working in caring professions who have contact with vulnerable people should be legally required to get vaccinated. I would remove my child because she’s clearly prioritising her own feelings over the safety of the children she looks after, and she probably does that all the time not just in this situation.

@CloudPop

Current stats show my risk of death from covid vaccine stands at 1 in 50,000

1 in 50,000 people are dying after having the vaccine? Is this correct?

No it isn't.

Why on earth would I do that? Especially as this is now well established.

No, it isn't. Nobody knows how long immunity might last to the same variant, let alone new ones.

@ItsAboutTimeForANameChange

We're not having a measles mumps rubella or polio pandemic at the moment though, are we?!

It's on the cards though, once everyone starts mixing fully again

Before you make that decision, check what other childcare is out there. We've been looking for a CM and no-one had availability. Your options may be this CM or caring for your own children.

@HeyDemonsItsYaGirl

Why on earth would I do that? Especially as this is now well established.

No, it isn't. Nobody knows how long immunity might last to the same variant, let alone new ones.

Longevity of immunity is better established following infection than following vaccination.

Surely you aren't denying that immunity follows infection. That it's quite rare to be re infected. Versus the vaccine which is nowhere as effective as preventing infection (but does reduce symptoms significantly).

@Gladiolys

I would withdraw my child too. Apart from the risk to their health, it will be infuriating for you if your kids have to keep isolating every time she catches Covid.

Where has op said she's had to isolate AGAIN because the childminder has caught it again? I s caught it once in 15 months through the worst peaks why would you assume she's going to keep catching it now?

@ememem84

Her body her choice. Your kids your choice.

I do wonder though whether you would have made this decision if she’d not had mmr for example. Or polio vaccine. For whatever reason.

And by you I mean the generic you. Not you personally op. I’ve seen so many threads and spoken to so many people in real life who have said they won’t see x person because they’re not vaccinated or won’t go to work because x isn’t getting the vaccine.

At what point will we as a society stop trying to segregate ourselves over a vaccine?

Haven’t read tft, but I wouldn’t have a baby at my local maternity unit because the staff flu vaccine take up is appalling (25%ish - published on the hospital website).

I know pregnant women are offered the flu vaccine and this may confer some protection to a newborn but given the opportunity to choose I wouldn’t want to have my newborn there, certainly not over the winter. I bring it up with pregnant friends too.

So there’s one example.

@Albien

Imo people working in caring professions who have contact with vulnerable people should be legally required to get vaccinated. I would remove my child because she’s clearly prioritising her own feelings over the safety of the children she looks after, and she probably does that all the time not just in this situation.

So are you up for pinning them down and giving it or sacking every childminder, teacher, doctor, nurse, carer, foster carer who refuses?

GabriellaMontez You don't know what you're talking about - please stop spreading misinformation. There are many viruses where one infection doesn't give lasting immunity, particularly fast-mutating ones like COVID-19. This is why flu jabs are annual, for example.

@HeyDemonsItsYaGirl

GabriellaMontez You don't know what you're talking about - please stop spreading misinformation. There are many viruses where one infection doesn't give lasting immunity, particularly fast-mutating ones like COVID-19. This is why flu jabs are annual, for example.

Stop denying science. We have long lasting immunity following infection with coronavirus. Do you deny this?

And it's not fast mutating. That is misinformation and fear mongering.

Not at all. Find another childcare provider pronto OP.

@GolfEchoRomeoTangoIndia
@chickenyhead

Sure I can link the stats, but it's just the Gov yellow card data. Not hard to find. I don't understand why anyone would elect to take a vaccine in a trial phase without actually checking how the trial is going but hey, I'm the dim one apparently

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

There have thus far been 1398 deaths within 28 days of vaccine. 68 million doses given (many of those only had one so far). You just need to do the maths. It's about 1 in 50,000.

Have I worked it out incorrectly?

Meanwhile,the online calculator gives my risk of death from covid as 1 in 142, 800

So to answer the question, I'd let her look after my kids yes.

I'd remove straight away and tell her why.

@ItsAboutTimeForANameChange

We're not having a measles mumps rubella or polio pandemic at the moment though, are we?!

Yeah, there's a reason for that. It's called vaccination.

As they’ve got covid now, I think you would be extremely unreasonable to remove your c s immediately. Your dcs will be protected better than vaccinated people right now as it is suggested immunity lasts at least 8 months and many double vaccinated people are becoming infected. What you decide to do in the longer term is more an issue.

GabriellaMontez
I repeat: you don't know what you're talking about. Hopefully everyone else reading the thread will see that, too.

Well you can move your child from childcare at any time for any reason so of course that’s not unreasonable. If you move them to a nursery though, they will be looked after/come into contact with many members of staff, and you will have no way of knowing which of them are vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Also your child will come into contact with other children, whose parents may or may not be vaccinated.

[quote User24689]@GolfEchoRomeoTangoIndia
@chickenyhead

Sure I can link the stats, but it's just the Gov yellow card data. Not hard to find. I don't understand why anyone would elect to take a vaccine in a trial phase without actually checking how the trial is going but hey, I'm the dim one apparently

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

There have thus far been 1398 deaths within 28 days of vaccine. 68 million doses given (many of those only had one so far). You just need to do the maths. It's about 1 in 50,000.

Have I worked it out incorrectly?[/quote]
Yes you have worked it out incorrectly as yellow card data is reporting not full investigation and is often corrected after further investigation but is always reported straight away.

Your actual risk of death from AZ is 1 in 345,000 www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine

Blood clot risk from AZ is 1 in 100,000 but does increase as age decreases.

Pfizer the risk of death is largely related to people who have anaphylaxis hence its now not given if allergic to one of the ingredients. Majority is extremely low risk.

Your right your body your choice but use actual sources and correct data rather than your own maths!

Those deaths are not recorded as caused by the vaccine at all

Scaremongering nonsense

People have gone absolutely bonkers