Dogs in Restaurants

[IDontGetOutMuch]

Took my mum out to lunch today. It was a nice enough place-£25 per head.
Have expectations changed with regard to dogs in restaurants? There were four other tables in our section and three had a dog with them.
Two of them barked at least three times during the meal. One jumped up at a waitress carrying puddings to another table, paws on her apron. One jumped up at the table wanting to be fed. One was petted by another waitress who then went straight to a table to take orders without washing hands. One was lying in the way so that I had to ask the owner to move it to allow my mother to get through with her Walker.
We had a dog when I was a child. He never went to a restaurant. What about people with allergies?
Is it okay that they do? Do I need to get over myself? I tried to compare to children. I expect my children to cause no disturbance to others at a restaurant and to stay at the table. We expected this even when they were little and actually rarely went to restaurants anyway.

I don't like dogs in restaurants. Never used to be the norm and I don't know why it's accepted now. I would prefer to eat in one without dogs.

1/3 of households? Then 2/3 dont. Surely it needs to be made clear as a policy on their website.

@LST yes sorry I tagged you but it was the poster below you that had written that and you had quoted. Both names began with L and I pressed the wrong one - apologies

It's accepted now because it brings more customers in. There are more people who either have a dog or don't mind dogs than there are people who object.

Nobody is expecting everybody to be happy about having dogs in the restaurant, but everybody is expected to take care of their own preferences, so, if you don't like it, go to one of the many establishments where dogs aren't allowed. Vote with your wallet, which is really all that businesses listen to. Keep the no dog establishments afloat. We all need them.

**Dogs are filthy animals. I really think those who allow them in their own homes are skanky, with zero understanding of hygiene.

I think society is being brainwashed into thinking dogs are man's best friend, and an asset to family life.
Shudder:**

Except that dogs were domesticated thousands of years ago, so it isn’t a modern concept. (As I said before, the ‘fur baby’ idea is a new thing, of course.)

And do you think you sound clever using that teen word ‘skanky’? It makes you sound childish actually.

@Oblomov21

I don't like dogs in restaurants. Never used to be the norm and I don't know why it's accepted now. I would prefer to eat in one without dogs.

Then don't eat in the ones that allow dog. It's that simple!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and feelings. That really is fine. What isn't is trying to impose them on everyone else.

I really don't like kids in restaurants. When we go to one, I will notice them right away and curse if they are next to me. Almost inevitably, they will impact on my enjoyment of the meal.

Do I think they should be systematically banned from more exclusive restaurants or after a certain time? No. Do I get pissed off with parents because they bring their kids? No. I accept that most people including restaurant establishment like toddlers and welcome them. I don't expect my favourite restaurant to ban them just because it would make my experience more pleasant. If I want a nice meal where I'm sure I won't be disturbed I book one that is no kids. It's really is little trouble. I take responsibility for my dislike

What gets me with those who dislike/hate dogs is their lack of acknowledgement that most people are fine with dogs and clearly truly believe that their issue, who puts them in a minority should be considered by everyone everywhere. That if you find dogs unhygienic, it means that it's a fact, even when science proves otherwise.

I actively boycott establishments that allow dogs. I need to get better at telling places why, because this bring your dog everywhere trend is only getting worse.

@LunaPe

Yes same, i need to remember to do this!

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

I'm not sure if you didn't see this question or just chose not to answer it, but I'd like to ask you again:

Why do you think you should be making the rules about what happens on somebody else's property, when your rules conflict with those of the owner of that property?

It seems to me that that's at the crux of the disagreement here, so it'd be interesting to know your response.

And do you think you sound clever using that teen word ‘skanky’? It makes you sound childish actually

You thinking its a teen word and not understanding people use all kinds of different words in different places is what is childish. And ignorant. And rude.

@claralara42

And do you think you sound clever using that teen word ‘skanky’? It makes you sound childish actually

You thinking its a teen word and not understanding people use all kinds of different words in different places is what is childish. And ignorant. And rude.

Nah they were trying to offend us. Being completely ignorant, childish and rude. They deserved to be pulled up on it

@vivainsomnia

Can you tell me why you think your dog has a actual right over every human walking in simply because it says "dog friendly" It's not about the rights of the dog, it's about the right ls of the owners to take their dog. So human's rights in both instances. Why does yours systematically take priority over yours when I'm ensuring I oy take my dog where they are welcome?

Because you're bringing something extra along that may be disruptive. I'm not.

Once again, it's NOT a right in the sense you can bring a dog and that's that, no matter what. Dogs have to behave and not be disruptive - which I just don't think the vast majority of dogs bored and hungry in a restaurants can do. That would be like me going into a restaurant, jumping around all over the place, upsetting other people, tripping people up and thinking it was fine because it's my 'right' to be there.

I think society is being brainwashed into thinking dogs are man's best friend, and an asset to family life.

Yes I agree. I can't personally see any benefits to owning something who's shit you have to pick up.

Could've done without the videos though 🤢🤢

@Malin52

I adore dogs. Life is made better by the presence of a dog. I can't stand children. The sense of entitlement people have in bringing their dirty, untrained, loud, messy, stinky brats into adult establishments such as pubs and restaurants. I actively avoid anywhere that welcomes children.

People are different. Have garish 'family friendly' places all to yourself and I'll stick to my lovely dog and adult friendly places. We are all happy.

See this attitude is very Miss Trunchbull and worrying.

Kids are humans. You were one once. It's different to owning a dog. And people take them places because if they left them at home they'd probably die.

Stop comparing dogs to kids

@Oblomov21

1/3 of households? Then 2/3 dont. Surely it needs to be made clear as a policy on their website.

And of those 1/3 how many take them places other than parks, nature reserves, on walks, camping etc?

Thankfully very few.

I think people also need to remember that whilst you think it's normal and acceptable to hate humans (it's not, there's conditions that explain that) and love dogs, your dogs don't love you back because of your sparkling wit and personality. They are obedient and grisly to you because you're their meal ticket. If they went to another family who fed them tomorrow they'd forget all about you.

Why do you think you should be making the rules about what happens on somebody else's property, when your rules conflict with those of the owner of that property?

People are always trying to make rules about their property, doesn't mean we all have to like it or accept it. Businesses used to be able to make all kinds of rules that society decided were not acceptable to make, and we over-ruled their rights to do so. No reason it shouldn't be done to keep animals out of human spaces.

[quote TheFoundations]@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

I'm not sure if you didn't see this question or just chose not to answer it, but I'd like to ask you again:

Why do you think you should be making the rules about what happens on somebody else's property, when your rules conflict with those of the owner of that property?

It seems to me that that's at the crux of the disagreement here, so it'd be interesting to know your response.[/quote]
Why do you think you should be making the rules about what happens on somebody else's property, when your rules conflict with those of the owner of that property?

I don't. I never said that. As I've stated already

@claralara42

Why do you think you should be making the rules about what happens on somebody else's property, when your rules conflict with those of the owner of that property?

People are always trying to make rules about their property, doesn't mean we all have to like it or accept it. Businesses used to be able to make all kinds of rules that society decided were not acceptable to make, and we over-ruled their rights to do so. No reason it shouldn't be done to keep animals out of human spaces.

You do have to accept it actually as its not your property. What you can choose to do is not go there.

Its really unhygienic. Who wants to eat in a place where there is dog hair floating around? Grim.

But so is the term 'fur babies' ..

But if the business owner accepts that disruption, why is it up to you to say that that's wrong?

Business owner says dogs/trampolines/squirting mayonnaise in people's eyes is ok, you say not.

Don't you think the business owner should have the final say, regardless of the disruption? And then customers decide whether to go there based on whether or not they like dogs/bouncing/mayonnaise-based-vision-impairment?

Isn't that how business works? You create an environment/provide a service, and if people like it, they give you money for it? But nobody is obliged to?

Because you're bringing something extra along that may be disruptive. I'm not
Disruptive to yourself. You might be disruptive to me and not even knowing. I can't stand the sound of loud giggling women for instance.

Is it ok for me to co plain that tipsy giggly women shouldn't be allowed in any restaurants because I find them disruptive?

Where do you draw the line?

@steakandcheeseplease

Its really unhygienic. Who wants to eat in a place where there is dog hair floating around? Grim.

But so is the term 'fur babies' ..

If you read the thread there a quite a few people who would... Soooo

People can still object to what decisions businesses make and express why it's disappointing or inconvenient. It doesn't mean they're trying to change the rules. The thread is about dogs in restaurants, no one is here to incite a protest

Sigh. These threads always go the same way... descending into petty insults and fights from both sides.

But if the business owner accepts that disruption, why is it up to you to say that that's wrong?

Just because I don't own that business it doesn't mean my opinion doesn't count.

I think having dogs on where owners can't control them, to the point where (as I stated earlier) a member of staff carrying sizzling skillets trips over their leads and breaks her nose, it's basic common sense to say that's unacceptable disruption. Being a dog idiot who happens to own a pub doesn't make someone more insightful