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That Sarah Vine column

557 replies

candycane222 · 02/07/2021 17:23

Well twitter.com/joepike/status/1410993004874248193?s=19

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FinallyFluid · 03/07/2021 00:00

Well would you Adam and Gove it. Wink

SRS29 · 03/07/2021 00:27

@GirlAloud

How could any woman shag Gove? His is utterly physically repellant in every possible way. I don’t care how big his cock is, I just couldn’t, even if he was the last man on Earth. Compared to him, Hancock is Brad fucking Pitt.
Brilliant Grin
Maggiesfarm · 03/07/2021 03:34

That made me laugh out loud, GirlAloud. However he doubtless has a certain je ne sais quoi, we just haven't noticed it.

I don't get why a pretty, intelligent, personable young woman like Carrie hooked up with Boris, whom I see as something of a buffoon - but she did.

No accounting for taste.

TeddingtonTrashbag · 03/07/2021 03:50

Compared to him, Hancock is Brad fucking Pitt
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borntobequiet · 03/07/2021 07:08

Having slept on it, I’ve decided that all of this is just a massive and deliberate distraction from…everything.

Nicolastuffedone · 03/07/2021 07:56

‘Utterly physically repellant in every way’ would that be ok to say about Diane Abbott? No, of course not. MN is very big on women not bringing other women down, yet MG is seen as fair game. I don’t care either way about Gove/Vine, but it seems ok to laugh at his looks etc where if someone had said that about a woman, there would’ve been uproar! The double standards on here are appalling!

Jasmine11 · 03/07/2021 08:10

The comments on the daily Mail article about them splitting are suspiciously tame. Normally there would be lots of comments about one of them must have cheated etc, but definitely the narrative is being controlled by the DM by moderating the comments. I can't believe that everyone thought they were such a perfect couple - and there are lots of comments saying things like 'how sad they split up but at least there was no-one else involved' but how would the commenters know that? Which makes me think that there is a scandal just waiting to come out.

Odisia · 03/07/2021 08:18

My lovely late dad looked very similar to Michael Gove. There was nothing physically repellant about him. Just a very average looking Scotsman.

whataboutgus · 03/07/2021 08:39

I thought the tabloids and Government go hand in hand?

Marguerite2000 · 03/07/2021 08:42

Yeah he's just an average looking man in his '50s really, and on a par with Sarah Vine as far as looks go really.

longwayoff · 03/07/2021 08:47

Diane Abbott is neither Sarah Vine nor her equally repellent husband Michael Gove. There can be no comparison.Just pointing this out to those few of you who seem unable to work this out for yourselves.

cariadlet · 03/07/2021 08:49

I think that if he wasn't such an odious person, his looks would go more unnoticed. The sliminess of his personality seems to exacerbate the sliminess of his looks. Plus he has the misfortune to photograph really badly. He looks pretty average if you watch an interview with him but I have seen countless photos where he looks hideous, ridiculous or both.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 03/07/2021 08:54

Some people are average looking but still quite photogenic - Gove definitely isn’t

Grimacingfrog · 03/07/2021 08:54

@Odisia

My lovely late dad looked very similar to Michael Gove. There was nothing physically repellant about him. Just a very average looking Scotsman.
I think it's a looks + personality equation. So for example Chris Whitty isn't Brad Pitt (nor am I Angelina Jolie) but he's a very pleasant person. So I could never describe him as physically repellent in every way. Maybe not my type but not repellent. Gove is just such a bumptious, unattractive character that it tips his appearance from ordinary into repellent.

As for the women not liking being judged by appearance, I think that's because even today, we're so judged by our appearance. How many female TV presenters are plain compared to men. Attractive women do better in the workplace and in so many environments in a way that doesn't happen with men. Can you imagine a female James Caan, Gene Hackman, Willem Dafoe etc?

RedToothBrush · 03/07/2021 09:06

@Nicolastuffedone

‘Utterly physically repellant in every way’ would that be ok to say about Diane Abbott? No, of course not. MN is very big on women not bringing other women down, yet MG is seen as fair game. I don’t care either way about Gove/Vine, but it seems ok to laugh at his looks etc where if someone had said that about a woman, there would’ve been uproar! The double standards on here are appalling!
I think there are double standards to a certain extent however i also think one of the reasons Gove is viewed as physically repellent is also to do with his mannerisms, his inability to tell the truth and his skill in being able to go on tv and say the most obviously brasen horseshit denying things that everyone saw on the tv the previous day.

Its his personality and lack of moral fibre in the pursuit of pure power for himself not working in the interests of the country which people find almost like the human equivalent of deet spray.

Sarah Vine in being seemingly immune to human deet has given the vibe that she too thinks this 'professional conduct' is appropriate and has been seen by the public to have benefited from it. (I get the sense she's finally whiffed the human deet and is now in the process of running).

Its deeply unattractive in the eyes of the public and i do think this translates a certain degree to a physical revulsion cos human brains are a bit funny like that.

On the other hand, all those politicians and advisors desperately trying to smear him and the general situation of being shat on at great height by nature, i do think make Matt Hancock take on some Brad Pitt like quality to the eyes of the barking mad and those who have far too much empathy. He has something of the poor little bullied school boy look that women want to mother and protect. Fuck knows why, as he knew damn well what Johnson was like when he got in bed with him and his ambition and desire to get a top job was what drove him to sleep with Johnson metaphorically.

I don't condone it, but there is something about Gove that makes you have a reaction to do with mistrust and insincerity. Humans do have self preservation instincts and react differently to those who they perceive as posing some sort of threat to them. He doesn't even try to be honest. His tactic to deal with things is to front it out until people just walk away in sheer outrage or disbelief at his audacity.

It works in politics to an extent but only if you also have a certain degree of charm and charisma rather that merely 100% sheer bloody minded gaul. Where Johnson would crack a joke (inappropriate or well considered) or give a human anecdote or a simple breezy whiffle or piff or an intellectually sounding classical reference, Gove has nothing but a blank stare and a pregnant pause to make his challenger / interviewer uncomfortable and disbelieving.

I think this makes the idea of Gove being with anyone particularly disturbing to so many. At least with Johnson and Hancock you might recognise them as middle aged knobheads who you disagree with in terms of how they've shat on people around them and lied, but you can still just about comprehend why someone might lose the plot and like them because they have a deeply hidden redeeming feature. With Gove its just like a well of deep dark doo doo staring into the abyss of political misdeeds and fuck all else.

There are few individuals that I find have absolutely nothing that I could see as being a grace that someone would like but Gove does fit that bill.

Its certainly not all to do with his looks. His demeanour and personality definitely are contributing factors here to how he's viewed.

C8H10N4O2 · 03/07/2021 09:06

@Notonthestairs

There many things I disagree with Diane Abbot on but

Back in 1971, Shadow Secretary of State for Health Diane Abbott was accepted to Cambridge and was one of only three female black students in the year, and the only one from a state school in the entire university.

So at one time she was a trailblazer.

Full article -

www.businessinsider.com/lack-of-diversity-black-students-oxford-cambridge-2017-8?amp

Yes exactly.

She was a first generation black girl who made it first to grammar school (the same one as Michael Portillo) and then the Cambridge and ultimately to high office.

A "mere" 2:2 from Oxbridge stacks up against 2:1 from most other places in recruitment terms frankly.

You can disagree with her politics but she was a high achiever by any measure.

C8H10N4O2 · 03/07/2021 09:08

Its his personality and lack of moral fibre in the pursuit of pure power for himself not working in the interests of the country which people find almost like the human equivalent of deet spray.

And the backstabbing and manipulation. Who really likes a back stabber?

justasking111 · 03/07/2021 09:12

@C8H10N4O2

Its his personality and lack of moral fibre in the pursuit of pure power for himself not working in the interests of the country which people find almost like the human equivalent of deet spray.

And the backstabbing and manipulation. Who really likes a back stabber?

This in spades.
RedToothBrush · 03/07/2021 09:14

@C8H10N4O2

Its his personality and lack of moral fibre in the pursuit of pure power for himself not working in the interests of the country which people find almost like the human equivalent of deet spray.

And the backstabbing and manipulation. Who really likes a back stabber?

Doesn't that fall under pursuit of pure power for himself?

Ultimately its the question of 'would you trust this man' and the answer even from his own allies, friends and now seemingly his wife is a very loud no.

the80sweregreat · 03/07/2021 09:21

Only once did Michael Gove seem a teeny tiny bit human during an interview about the Dominic Cummings affair last year and he and was trying to defend his actions about the ' eye test' and both him and the interviewer started laughing at the fact he was tying himself in knots actually trying to stick up for him. Only time he showed any kind of normal reaction and it was clear he didn't believe any of it either.

Peregrina · 03/07/2021 09:21

Not sure that Johnson and Hancock have deeply hidden redeeming features myself.

What did someone like Carrie see in Johnson - status I would imagine. Once he decides he's had enough or the Tory Party decided to get rid of him, she will be out of the door.

Hancock - ????

lollipoprainbow · 03/07/2021 09:23

Ghastly woman she writes some nasty stuff about Harry and Meghan as does Jan Moir and the rest of the daily mail.

C8H10N4O2 · 03/07/2021 09:25

Doesn't that fall under pursuit of pure power for himself?

Yes probably.

Gove and Cummings are two aspects of the same mindset. Both are clever, absolutely convinced they are right and know just a bit more than anyone else on their pet topic of the day.
Cummings' ambitions always seemed to be change and soft power, Gove's have also been hard power.

I remember many rumours about Gove over the years regarding SPADs/others of varying varieties but don't think anyone has gone public on him.

Pottedpalm · 03/07/2021 09:26

@sadperson16

Vine has a huge following amongst the dim wit Tory ladies.

Sarah wears shirt, £655, Victoria Beckham

Sarah wears shirt that would pay for a family to survive for a month.

Scraping the barrel a bit now, with your vitriol.
thecatfromjapan · 03/07/2021 09:27

You know, everyone keeps saying Gove is Murdoch's choice.

But ... he doesn't have that 'thing' that sways voters, does he?

I just can't see him as Leader of the Conservatives. I don't think they see him as electorally popular enough to be Leader.