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Is what I said really out of order?

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sparklingwater1 · 01/07/2021 13:26

Hi all looking for some advice if I’ve acted out of line here. Happy to be told I am and apologise to the parties involved or stand my ground if necessary. Will give all background I think is relevant and happy to give more if asked. Long one…

So me and exDH split up 6 years ago when I was pregnant with DS2. My mum and Dad have been a rock for me and have helped me out with the kids loads. I have 2 children aged 8 and 5. ExDH is a bit Disney dad, sees the kids once every 2 weeks and they have fun. My mum and dad take the kids overnight once a week. My mum also watches the children while I’m at work, I pay her for it, similar to that of a childminder so not a small amount.

I was in a long term relationship for the past 4 years and split up 5 months ago…very amicable split no issues at all. Since the split my mum has been round my house lots she gives the place a quick clean, puts a wash on and potters around the garden all while I’m at work. She says it’s to “earn her keep” as the children are in school 9-3 referring to the money I’m paying to her.

Lately though it’s getting a bit much, she’s rearranging my cupboards, I put a dress that I had lost buttons on in the bin and I found it washed and hung up (she seen it in a bag of rubbish and thought it was a mistake it was there 🤷🏻‍♀️)all while I’m at work. If I open a bottle of wine she’ll make comments like “oh have a drink last night did we?” etc.

Dad as well has been round in the shed, in the loft “checking things out” all while I’m at work.

I came down the other morning with the kids (summer holidays here) and she’s out the back painting the fence because “she had left over paint to use.” Absolutely fine by me but again I just wished she had asked because I don’t actually like the colour but she had started at 6:30am when we were all still in bed.

She popped in and I made her toast and tea and was tidying up putting paperwork away and yes the cupboard I keep all that in is the cupboard all the “stuff” goes in. She said “we will get a day and go through that” and then she’s telling me all the stuff she wants to do to my garden and dad is coming “to take my shed down” apparently…it’s old yes but it does a job and I can’t afford a new one. When I said it’s fine just to leave it, she said “no you don’t need to be here we’ll just suit ourselves” I told her I didn’t want her or my dad here when I wasn’t, they wouldn’t do it to my brothers house and I certainly wouldn’t do it to theirs so why should they have free reign at my place? Well that’s it…I’m stubborn, ungrateful and expect people to do things for me etc.

I’ve said that I don’t think there’s anything unreasonable in saying please don’t come round my house/ garden etc when I’m not here. Apparently I’m accusing them of spying on me. I don’t always say “thank you mum” every single day if she’s put a wash on for me but I take her out at least once a month for afternoon tea or for a lunch etc and I always make a point of saying it’s a thanks for what she does to help me. Bearing in mind she tells me she does this because of the money I pay her, I’ve never asked or expected her to do anything and I know she’s helping and do appreciate it.

So today has ended up in a massive row and I don’t know if I am being unreasonable in saying what I said or if I’m quite right and they’re being overbearing. I have apologised to her as she got upset and I never intended to upset her but I’ve said that I don’t think there’s anything wrong in what I said?!

Happy for different perspectives, all I can see is my own point of view. Thank you in advance.

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Wombat36 · 01/07/2021 13:28

That would do my head in.

Wombat36 · 01/07/2021 13:30

As in the invasion of my privacy, not what was said...

Fitforforty · 01/07/2021 13:30

I think you should have put your foot down when this new arrangement of them coming round first started and not let it become the norm. But you are not unreasonable to call a stop to it now. Make you could have said it in a gentler way? I wasn’t there so I don’t know how it was said.

jadfiewahnds · 01/07/2021 13:30

You are so not being unreasonable!

Time for some boundaries, best of luck!

HollowTalk · 01/07/2021 13:31

It would drive me crazy. Not only does she think your house is hers (interesting that she didn't when you had someone living with you) but she thinks you're a teenager who doesn't know what's best and who will make bad decisions without her.

30degreesandmeltinghere · 01/07/2021 13:33

She has become your op not your dm.
Suggest she either watches dc at their house or get a nursery place /cm..
Bang out of order she is op... Big bang.

sparklingwater1 · 01/07/2021 13:33

Thanks all I feel better knowing that I'm not being a drama Queen.

I didn't say anything in a nasty way, I'm really not that person, I am a bit fed up I suppose and that's the tone I probably used which I guess could have been off but I genuinely didn't think it was.

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WhoDidAndWhy · 01/07/2021 13:34

It would do my head in too. Lovely that they’ve always helped you but sometimes “helping” is to actually let you adult for yourself - make your own decisions about your shed/garden/fence whatever. They mean well but they’ve gradually overstepped the boundaries over time and probably without realising it. Although you’re 100% right, you probably needed to bring it up very gently.

ajandjjmum · 01/07/2021 13:35

I can understand your point of view completely, but maybe you would have been better to talk to her about how you feel, rather than let it build up to a head.

Maybe apologise for losing your rag, and say that absolutely you trust them, but it is your home, and you want to make decisions regarding what to do there.

Just explain that her commenting on you having a drink one night might seem trivial to her, but it makes you feel i. like a child ii. judged. You obviously have a sound relationship, so just talk it through and hopefully you'll come out of it stronger.

sparklingwater1 · 01/07/2021 13:36

For the record she isn't doing anything that she doesn't see as "helping" and she means so well, she has a heart of gold honestly.

I know most full time working single mums of 2 would do anything for someone to come round every so often and put a wash on and wipe down the surfaces so I really know how lucky I am in that respect but I just feel it's getting a bit much being here so much.

No she didn't come round at all and do this when ExDP was here and I guess that's part of my problem it feels like they don't think i can work, look after the kids and run a house myself which just makes me feel a bit sad I guess.

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Drivingmeupthewall · 01/07/2021 13:38

Fuck no. They’re interfering and controlling your life, and painting you as the bad guy for telling them to eff off. My in-laws did the same. My FIL hasn’t spoken to me since, except to remind me to change my baby’s nappy (FFS Hmm)

Are they bored?

tallduckandhandsome · 01/07/2021 13:38

YANBU, it's good you spoke up.

They sound carung but oppressive, it's no way to live.Could you drop them off to hers and take away their key or change the locks?

BeanyBops · 01/07/2021 13:39

I can see why you are upset, but I can also see how your mum just thinks she's helping. It looks like this situation has sort of evolved over time to get to where you are now. Everyone has good intentions and noone deserves to be 'in the wrong' as such but it does seem like now is the time to have a refresh, start again with some boundaries and a clean slate.

sparklingwater1 · 01/07/2021 13:41

@WhoDidAndWhy @ajandjjmum

This is it! I've let it go on and it's just came to head rather than sit with a tea and come up with a schedule/ routine etc.

I'll let today cool off and get her round for a lunch tomorrow and sort things out hopefully.

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TokyoSushi · 01/07/2021 13:44

Ooh this is a tricky one and the sort of situation that I would end up in with my Mother, and the subsequent fall out with me as the (entirely reasonable) ungrateful daughter.

It's too much, far too much, she's massively overstepping under the guise of helping. How old are your DC, do you have to have the childcare relationship for too much longer?

picklemewalnuts · 01/07/2021 13:45

Invite them over for a meal when the DC are in bed or out playing. Say you love having them around, and really appreciate what they do for the dc.

Explain that you want to feel that you have some grown up boundaries in place and are responsible for yourself and that when they do extra things- no matter how lovely- you feel a bit criticised, as though you aren't capable of managing your own home. That feeling dependent on other people makes you uncomfortable, and actually you are starting to feel a bit anxious about things being moved and changed while you are out. Opening cupboards to find everything has moved is really disconcerting, and actually you'd also like a little bit of privacy not because you have anything to hide but because you are an adult and would like to feel like one.

And round it off with how much the kids adore them, and how you enjoy having them come over and feel really lucky to know how safe your DC are with them.

Compliment/explain the problem/compliment sandwich style!

Juststopasking · 01/07/2021 13:45

I guess that's part of my problem it feels like they don't think i can work, look after the kids and run a house myself which just makes me feel a bit sad I guess

Well from here that's because you're not doing those things yourself. You're relying on your mum way too much. Stop using her for childcare and stand on your own two feet if you want to prove you can do it all. Yes it sounded like you were rude.

sparklingwater1 · 01/07/2021 13:46

@Drivingmeupthewall

No my dad works he comes to pick my mum up when I get home. I stay about a 15 minute walk away from theirs. It's easier with the school catchments etc. He has popped over in his lunch breaks etc sometimes, like I say to "check things" like the shed, loft...I guess the things that he sees that a man should do I guess.

I can't think that she's bored as she was able to sort herself fine when ExDP was here so like I say she genuinely thinks she's "helping" and I don't mind her doing the odd thing when I'm at work (I'll look to agree a day maybe) I just don't like the thought that when I'm at work or out with friends etc that they'll be in and around the place. The example that I used this morning was there might be a day that I want to sit on the couch in my bra and pants and not think "oh no what if they come round" that was all but that didn't go down well although I said that very jokingly.

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sparklingwater1 · 01/07/2021 13:50

@Juststopasking

I don't use her, I pay her for child care and I certainly do these things for myself. When we all get showered and dressed in the morning I don't have time to put the towels and jammies in the wash straight away. I would do it when I come home, mum comes in after the school run and puts it on. If the WASHED breakfast dishes are on the drainer she puts them away. I've never asked her to do that and never asked her to come to the house when I'm not there. It's developed over the past 5 months to her rearranging cupboards without me being there that's my issue or painting my fence without me knowing as well as if I didn't have the conversation today I would have came home to a dismantled shed without my permission?

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HumpHumpWhale · 01/07/2021 13:50

I would have a chat with her when you've calmed down a bit more, tell her that you do appreciate her and know it's all done out of love, but you're starting to feel like they don't think you're a competent adult. Say you know she doesn't mean to make you feel like that, and you should have said something sooner, but it has built up over time.
I would feel the same as you. I think you'll find a new balance with them. They've probably not even thought about how much they're interfering, they'll just have been focused on each individual "oh, I can help my DD with this thing". Are you the youngest by any chance? My mum still doesn't seem to be able to see my 37 year old, human rights lawyer sister as an adult, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Drives her nuts, but at least they don't live v close so mum isn't in her house. I, the eldest, on the other hand, have been treated like an adult since I was 3, so I love being babied on the rare occasion that it happens!

sparklingwater1 · 01/07/2021 13:51

@HumpHumpWhale

Yes I'm the youngest, 34 and in a promoted post in my job etc as well.

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MotionActivatedDog · 01/07/2021 13:54

Oh I had the beginnings of this situation when my mum retired OP! She would come round and do housework and as great as that was, I just didn’t want it. I had to be very direct and say appreciated it but I didn’t want her to do it. She sulked but eventually came round. Sorry your parents have reacted so badly. I don’t think you did anything wrong.

Natty13 · 01/07/2021 14:00

My mum was the EXACT same including telling me I was ungrateful when I told her I wanted to wash my own knickers and decide where things got put in my own house.

After the fight I gave it some time for both to calm down ad texted her saying "mum i appreciate the help with taking the kids after school/walking the dogs/picking up my parcel/whatever it was however if the cost of your help is that you feel entitled to make decisions for how I live in my own house then I will have to turn down any of your help from now.

You turning up to paint my fence, rearranging my cupboards and telling me you will be taking down my shed are really going too far. I am a grown woman and you know fine well you wouldn't dream of doing this at (my brothers) houses.

I dont want to fall out with you or you to fall out with me but I unfortunately can't put up with being treated like a child woth no agency any longer"

Obviously details fitted my situation but the message was the same. She blew up, I didn't react but nor did I back down from my boundaries (which also include not being insulted or shouted at) but after she had some time to reflect/see I wasn't wavering she was able to behave herself. Now we get on a lot better because she stays in her lane and I'm not constantly frustrated at her.

Sometomes they need reminding that they are your parents and you their daughter you are no longer a child and don't need parenting.

Pinkicecream · 01/07/2021 14:00

Agreed with PPs, they clearly mean well but it's got out of hand and you were right to speak up.

Helping ad hoc with bits of washing and weeding etc is really kind but going through your stuff, and making decisions such as dismantling your shed and painting your exterior is definitely overstepping. I think you shouldn't backtrack but do nicely explain your position to start with as they probably just didn't see the bigger picture.

If your kids are now at school but your mum feels obliged to do something at yours all day, could you just pay her for the time she actually looks after them?

ARoseDowntown · 01/07/2021 14:05

Tbh, reading your first post I did think you were allowing yourself to be babied/looked after. It’s pretty embarrassing. You claim to want independence, but your mum is looking after you, your children, your home. And your dad is helping her do all that, and doing stuff himself! Makes you sound like a teenager with children.

Also, although I know people do things differently, but paying your own mum to do stuff is just messed up and complicated things.

The whole situation is messy. You all sound like a loving and giving family, which is great. But you need to stand on your own two feet. If you need help with specific things eg after school care, leave it at that. Stop with allowing her to do other stuff for you. It really isn’t joyful doing other people’s laundry for them, I’m pretty sure your mum could think of other things to do with her time. You need to grow up, take responsibility for yourself, your home and your children. Enjoy your parents —don’t pay them to do your skivvying for you—