AIBU to ask how come Britney Spears had an IUD fitted without her permission?

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I mean, her father has had conservatorship for 13 years but an IUD is only valid for 5-10 years so could someone explain it to me? Surely it couldn't have been inserted without her permission?

I have never had a IUD.. so it it bad for them to be in place so long

What do you mean ‘so long’? How do you even know when she had it put in? A standard copper would be around 12 years in situ. Hormonal 5/6 years.

A lot of supposition on this thread. How does anyone know the facts of her having it inserted. Maybe she begged and pleaded to get one? Maybe not, who knows? I was certainly very keen to get my first! The only thing we know is she wants it out so saying it was forced on her without her consent is without basis, none of us know.

I think the difficulty is going to be when she has it removed. It’s not as simple as saying she can swap to other meds safe in pregnancy. Disruption of meds, difficulty in transitioning, refusal to accept new ones often means a patients mental health falls to shit in such a period and it’s very hard to get back on track. And it’s in a period where, if you are pregnant/need to care for a baby you need to be on top with mental health.

I see this aspect as being damned either way for her unfortunately. She continues on as is desperately unhappy. She removes contraception, disrupts meds which are allowing her to function well as you can currently see, it falls to shit - the dad says to the court ‘I told you so’, baby is removed and she is not only back to where she started but two squares behind having lost yet another child. I just don’t see her winning either way to be honest.

That may well be the case that it pans out as you have just described…but no one has a crystal ball least of all her dad so he can’t possibly say this and that is to happen. Care and input should be least restrictive, any sort of detention AWI stuff with regards to medical interventions have to be reviewed constantly it can’t just be that somebody’s dad decides they’re not having kids and that’s that, recovery is possible.

She didn't lose custody, the custody order was because her dad punched her kid.

She lost custody of her kids in 2007 when they were really small. This was because of her erratic behaviour.

That may well be the case that it pans out as you have just described…but no one has a crystal ball least of all her dad so he can’t possibly say this and that is to happen. Care and input should be least restrictive, any sort of detention AWI stuff with regards to medical interventions have to be reviewed constantly it can’t just be that somebody’s dad decides they’re not having kids and that’s that, recovery is possible.

Absolutely, don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying the current situation should continue or that her dad should continue to have control, certainly not.

Unfortunately though, it would seem the reality is she is stuffed whichever path she now goes down. People typically don’t go off their meds and ‘recover’. She will have to come off the meds to start a family. Transitioning often leads to refusal. I’d be confident in placing a substantial bet this won’t go well with her. It would not be a get I would be at all happy yo win, but that’s the likely reality. I agree, it’s certainly not a reason to continue the current situation but people are making out if she is free from this her situation will then be rosey and she will be happy where unfortunately it’s not likely to be the case either way.

Her family are abusive assholes. She's right they should be jailed.

The bit I found that was so sad was she said she wanted to stay on the phone to the judge “forever” because afterwards it will start again. The stuff of nightmares.

I wonder where her sister is in all this and what her view is. You would hope she would support her but it seems her entire family is just patrolled in this awful treatment of Britney.

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I wonder where her sister is in all this and what her view is. You would hope she would support her but it seems her entire family is just patrolled in this awful treatment of Britney.

There was a weird situation on Instagram recently.

"Britney" (some people say she has no control over her posts and someone else
writes them) wrote a lengthy post about her childhood and the happy care free times
she spent on her "cousins ranch", and almost criticising the parents of today whilst suggesting her parents had allowed
her a free and happy childhood. It was quite a bizarre post, as many of her's are.

Anyway, her mother replied to the most

"Yes these are good memories and simplicity is always more peaceful!"

Meanwhile, directly underneath
her mother's comment, her sister's verified account responded

"What cousin had a ranch????????????"

It seemed like she was calling her mother out on bullshit.
Or alternatively, it made her sister look more
delusional. Most of the fan responses seem
to go with the first interpretation though.

Lynne seems to take a very active role
with her grandchildren from Jamie Lynn. Jamie Lynn is also fairly successful
as an actress. I don't know what to make of it all...surely if you thought your parents were that bad, you'd keep your kids away.
At the same time, maybe JL is trapped too. She's seen what happened to her sister and opposes the conservatorship. She's
also the sole beneficiary of the trust that Britney set up for her son's when they were
born.

The whole thing is a tangled mess.

They also have an older brother, Bryan. Wonder what him and his wife's
take is on it all?

I actually can’t believe what’s happening to her - it’s so disturbing if even half true.

It does look as if she’s the family cash cow and the iud, whilst being framed as being there for contraception, looks to me to be there to stop her periods to keep her performing.

The fact that as an adult she needs to go to court to get back control of her own life is so messed up.

I feel sorry for Britney and blame the judge completely. I don’t think a single judge should decide a conservatorship and it should be at least three.

Laws in the US are different from those in the UK.

It it truly disturbing that this has happened to her.

I absolutely believe her and would go one step further than the IUD situation and posit that there is probably no need for the lithium.

IMO her breakdown all those years ago was an attempt to break free of all this control, coercion and abuse. A global superstar publicly shaving off her hair? Hair that was at the heart of her public image? If that’s not a sign you want to break free and not have to conform to all the shit and abuse, then I don’t know what is!

So in that sense, her ‘break down’ was a healthy response to an abusive situation. The tragedy being she didn’t break free and it ended up being used as a tool by her abusers to control her even more

@Flippittyflopperty an IUD does not stop your periods.

@InTheNameOfAllThatIsHonest it does for quite a few women - I’m just wondering if it did for her and thats been a bonus to keep her performing

Recovery doesn’t mean being free from mental illness though, it’s living as best she can with her condition. There are other alternatives to lithium is my point. Plenty women I have nursed with mood disorders have managed to safely carry a baby (with support and input) that’s not to say there aren’t any blips along the way but they are managed.

I read somewhere (unsure of the credibility of wherever I read this) that Britney is paying for both her and dads legal fees!! Too much room for exploitation in this current set up

@beigebrownblue

For info. I feel there is a lot of hype about IUD's and pressure that only the medical profession knows how to remove them. (Magically?)

I thought this for a long time. And was terrified as I wanted mine out.

Then, actually, all it took was a glass of wine and a gentle pull and that was it.

I put it into a plastic bag and that was fine. No problem, no infection, no drama, no nothing.

Well lucky you!

Mine took two very long, painful and traumatic attempts to remove it by two medical professionals (with speculums open for over half an hour each time and with tools employed), and then a general aesthetic to finally remove it.

Given that coils can become embedded (mine wasn’t, the strings were just too short), it’s not a good idea to start trying to remove them yourself.

I find it strange how she had sell out shows in Las Vegas and been one of the biggest pop stars of her generation and still amassed 60 million, there should be an extra zero to that esp if artists are paid a million per show in Las Vegas, so where did her money go to, she had no control over it? Lots of unanswered questions but for sure they've been bleeding her dry for well over a decade

It isn’t just Britney who is in these circumstances. The actress Amanda Bynes is also in a conservatorship(sp?) with her mother. Last year I think she got pregnant and the mother went to court to force an abortion. I don’t know what the outcome of that was.

This is dreadful abuse by her father.
If she was that unstable then a loving parent would absolutely not be forcing you on stage to perform like a dancing chained bear.
I hope she breaks free soon.

RickJames

Would they put a man under a conservatorship? Michael Jackson? Kurt Cobain? They were pretty unstable, no? Of course not, its a misogynist backed abuse. It's slavery. #freebritney

Brain Wilson
Randy Meisner
Casey Kasem
Mickey Rooney all had conservatorships

There is a Netflix document about conservatorship/guardianship if anyone's interested - it's an episode of Dirty Money and is mainly focused on elder abuse but it's pretty shocking in terms of what it entails and how difficult it is to remove. It's very very different to the laws around capacity and consent in the UK.

Theres so much that's come out about her treatment that I've found to be shocking.

So she's been OK to be performing, but too ill to make any of her own decisions?

In the free Britney documentary, it was saying how she went to court to ask a judge if she could be released from the conservatorship with her father, she had ideas of other bodies who could do it, because she seemed aware that she needed the conservatorship, she just didn't want her dad to do it anymore.

When she decided not to take up some tour that was arranged for her, she was put back into an in patient facility. Just seems like punishment for not doing what the parents wanted.

Yesterday I read about the IUD.
But also that she's given an allowance of $2000 a week. This is far less than her parents take of her money for themselves. I remember the figure being in the free Britney documentary, I don't remember the number, but it was eye watering how much they live on knowing its taken from their daughter.

Also, it seems small, but in the papers yesterday it said that for a year, over covid she couldn't get any self care, her mother told her that all of the self care places were closed, whilst she and the maids and nurses were all turning up with freshly done hair and manicures. If the level of control is that much, and they're lying to her like that, it's just so sad.

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@mynameiscalypso

There is a Netflix document about conservatorship/guardianship if anyone's interested - it's an episode of Dirty Money and is mainly focused on elder abuse but it's pretty shocking in terms of what it entails and how difficult it is to remove. It's very very different to the laws around capacity and consent in the UK.

Yes it's pretty shocking that US law allows this. Incapacity law in Scotland (which is probably similar to English law) has principles about choosing the least restrictive option and for the guardian/attorney to consult with family and friends and involve the person on decision making. US conservatorship sounds like a licence for exploitation.

Also in Scotland (again I assume England), you shouldn't benefit financially from being an attorney or guardian - surely with conservatorship, this is a huge conflict of interest?