To wonder if this Zara model is a healthy size?

[MondayYogurt]

Most models are tall and slim but something just made me stop and look at these pictures for longer, wondering.

Is it just photoshop?

@Gwenhwyfar

"Obviously if you're tall and thin you can gauge roughly what they will be like on you but otherwise you can see some nice clothes, but not neccessarily have any idea of what they will look like if you're shorter and/or fatter than that (which, away from this thread, includes almost everyone!"

I'm used to figuring it out thanks to having seen models of similar sizes over the years. I know that a mini on a model will be a knee length on me.
My ideal would probably be a version of me to see it on e.g. a kind of online avatar, but failing that then models of a certain size. It could be a different size to the one used now, but should be the same. Diversity doesn't work.
As I mentioned above, the M&S campaign where they used real women didn't work at all, you couldn't tell if it was the clothes or the models that gave a certain shape.

That’s simply untrue that the M&S campaign didn’t work - they are still using it, I received that message with that photo only a couple of days ago. If it didn’t work, they wouldn’t still be using it. Someone else pointed out that ASOS use a similar campaign where they depict a range of sizes & state what they are. I don’t see ASOS profits falling, either.

It does work, but we are continuously peddled this shit about skinny models, so we end up surprised when we see something that depicts real women.

Clothes don’t actually look good on stick thin people - either that, or clothes designers make some extremely ugly clothes. You might as well argue that clothes are best shown off on coat hangers, because real human bodies spoil the shapelessness of modern designs by revealing a human shape underneath them.

As for the pink satin dress - it looks like a pink sack.

In picture one, nobody has a thigh as thin as their ankle. Even very thin people. The femur bone is wider than the tib/fib.

I've seen people with eating disorders where the thigh is about same width...

"That’s simply untrue that the M&S campaign didn’t work - they are still using it, I received that message with that photo only a couple of days ago."

It's not how they advertise most of their clothes, is it? It was a gimmick to make them look good.

I'm googling the M&S campaign now and there's a lingerie campaign. That's not the one I'm talking about. There's one they did a few years ago with dresses and you just couldn't tell what the dresses really looked like.

In picture one, nobody has a thigh as thin as their ankle.

Not even the woman in picture one.

@Gwenhwyfar - except you can tell what the dresses look like. Yes, the same dress can hang differently on one person compared to another, but being used to looking at photographs of dresses on tall people with no discernible curves, body fat or muscle tone doesn’t actually help anyone envisage how the same dress would hang on a size 16 woman who is 5 ft 2 inches tall - or on a slim woman with an hourglass figure; or on someone who is a pear shape or an apple shape. Using tall, curve-free women doesn’t even make them disappear so that you only notice the dress - you are instead instantly drawn to the oddness of someone having thighs the same width as their ankles.

"but being used to looking at photographs of dresses on tall people with no discernible curves, body fat or muscle tone doesn’t actually help anyone envisage how the same dress would hang on a size 16 woman who is 5 ft 2 inches tall - or on a slim woman with an hourglass figure; or on someone who is a pear shape or an apple shape. "

Yes, it does help me. I'm used to making the adjustment from the model to myself. I explained that above.

"Using tall, curve-free women doesn’t even make them disappear so that you only notice the dress - you are instead instantly drawn to the oddness of someone having thighs the same width as their ankles."

Personally, I'm not. I wouldn't have noticed this woman being so thin if it hadn't been pointed out to me as I'm used to models being tall and thin. I would have been looking at the clothes.

@Gwenhwyfar - and yet an awful lot of women on this thread have noticed the unusual lack of muscle tone and fat on the model… Do you really think the model in question was chosen to help women see what the dress was really like and not to be distracted by any other aspect of the photograph?

I do need to see the clothes on a thin person, even if not a 'stick' thin person to see whether the clothes add any girth, make the person look chunky, etc

You really cannot tell that from a pic. Photoshop was after my time, in my day clothes in modelling pics were all pegged and pinned. They probably do a bit of both now. So they don't even look like they would on a tall thin person.

Regardless of who is modelling that dress, it looks like it's been caught in a gale, and you cant tell what the hemline looks like.

[quote Walkaround]**@Gwenhwyfar* - and yet an awful lot of women on this thread have noticed the unusual lack of muscle tone and fat on the model… Do you really* think the model in question was chosen to help women see what the dress was really like and not to be distracted by any other aspect of the photograph?[/quote]
Because it's been pointed out to them.
Do I think the model was chosen to show the dress? Yes, of course. Why the hell else would she have been chosen. They're there to sell clothes and make money.

@TatianaBis

I do need to see the clothes on a thin person, even if not a 'stick' thin person to see whether the clothes add any girth, make the person look chunky, etc

You really cannot tell that from a pic. Photoshop was after my time, in my day clothes in modelling pics were all pegged and pinned. They probably do a bit of both now. So they don't even look like they would on a tall thin person.

Well, yes, there are problems with it and the best thing is to try it yourself, but even then it's not perfect with strange lighting in the changing room or whatever.

Well, not what I'd aspire to look like but then I like my chocolate too much. Having said that, some people are naturally that way....not many, but it does happen. Can normally tell by the face, if they are healthy the face tends to look that way and vice versa.

@Gwenhwyfar - “ Do I think the model was chosen to show the dress? Yes, of course. Why the hell else would she have been chosen. They're there to sell clothes and make money.”

No, the model was not there to “show” the dress, as you admit in your very next sentence. She was there to sell the dress - they do not want to portray the dress as it really looks on real human beings at all, they are selling a fantasy. That dress will look bugger all like that on a normal person. If they wanted you to see what the dress really looked like, they would have several images of the same dress worn by people of different sizes and shapes. The picture neither shows you the shape of the dress, nor does it show you what the dress is like in reality. Either way, it’s a phenomenally shapeless dress, so it’s really just a question of whether you like the colour and think a shapeless, colourful bag would be comfortable on a windy day at the beach…

Still, they tried.

I think this thread has run its course don't you?

Why are people still body shaming when it's already been pointed out just how damaging that is?
When countless slim ladies have commented telling you how it makes them feel?
Stop. Just stop.
I feel like I'm at school again being told I can't possibly eat because I'm so skinny.
Makes me want to binge eat and I'm not even that slim anymore.
I'm going to report the thread now.

@Whysolong7

😯

Did you really just go to Zara and screenshot a model to sneer at? Read what @Womendohavevaginasnick said

@Whysolong7 yet you’re not brave enough to post a photo of you so we can return the nastiness in kind 😂

@Whysolong7

😯

Reported. Goady **

"No, the model was not there to “show” the dress, as you admit in your very next sentence. She was there to sell the dress "

Maybe I should have written 'to show off' the dress ie to make it look 'good' and make people buy it.
As for it being shapeless, that seems to be the fashion at the moment unfortunately.

My dh is very thin. But it's because he is tall. Perhaps it's because of her height? I also think it's a badly done photo.

@iwouldlikearefundonmybody

My dh is very thin. But it's because he is tall. Perhaps it's because of her height? I also think it's a badly done photo.

How does being tall make you thin? Tall people normally eat more to fill up.