To wonder if this Zara model is a healthy size?

[MondayYogurt]

Most models are tall and slim but something just made me stop and look at these pictures for longer, wondering.

Is it just photoshop?

@Gwenhwyfar

"The "look" is still slim/thin , with a tiny waist, but with thick thighs,boobs, and a round ,well defined butt. Just as unachievable for girls built differently as the very skinny look."

No, MORE unachievable.

Very true actually. Sorry typing(ranting) in a rush while still trying to (vaguely) make sense.

@SingingInTheShithouse

Purple when it comes to venomous projection of negativity over a body image. Unfortunately jealousy is often the key motivation.

I'm really hoping that you've just missed the fact that @P0lestar's daughter has anorexia. Because if you haven't missed it, then you are being spectacularly insensitive and obtuse.

@Hestartedoffsowell

With regards to lots of naturally thin people commenting on here of course we will. It does catch my eye and I've been on mnet for 18 years so often comment on them (under a vast array of different user names). I'm still very slim after nearly all those 20 years and will still always defend the fact that there are some of us who are naturally built that way with zero effort. Not saying we want to be that way necessarily but there you go. Of course it's natural that a large proportion of women built this way will be attracted by the thread tile. My reason for doing so is 100% is to try and stop other woman using awful terminology, although it's not been as bad on here as the recent thread about actresses, that was really horrible.

Quite.

I feel so strongly about it since I have had DD.

My reason is my young teenaged DD who is built exactly the same as me.
I will not condone her eating 'shit' food to 'put on weight' (which she doesn't anyway.

The BOYS is her class have bigger breasts than me.

Nobody could eat more than her.
She is doomed to be slim. Not a 'normal sized UK 14/16'. Which is not normal, not normal at all. Every member of my family in the UK is obese but don't realise it.

She's very tall. So could actually be a healthy weight.

It’s not so much this model’s body shape in isolation that is an issue. Maybe she is healthy and just built that way. It’s the fact that there is so little diversity in the fashion models used by brands. It seems 90% are the traditional very thin 6ft type, and the other 10% are size 16-18 (but only with the curves in certain places, good lighting etc). True diversity would mean being representative of actual women - where are all the 5ft 3, size 12 models?!

And as for the posters insisting a significant minority of women do have similar bodies to the model in the photos - I just don’t see the evidence for this. I read the first few pages of this thread this morning and then went on a walk during my lunch break. For 30mins in a busy town centre I made a point of looking for women who looked roughly the same body shape as the model. Yes there were a few women who were probably size 4-6 like her, but they were all under 5ft 5. Yes, there were a few women nearing 6ft but all were size 12 or above I reckon. The closet I got were a couple of teenaged college students who were maybe 5ft 8 and size 6-8. So not as extreme as the model and also very likely to not have yet reached their adult weight and size. Obviously this is in no way scientific, but I find it hard to marry this with the repeated claims on this thread that the poster, their best mate, sister etc are all naturally shaped like the model so what’s the problem?!

why can’t we be bombarded with photos of diverse looking people

The example I showed demonstrates diverse women modelling clothes, and I am looking more at those clothes, ...I am also more likely to buy them

^This

Often I buy clothes because I see how they look on the model and I can imagine how they would look on me.

When a certain kind of look predominates over all ads of a brand (or brands), huge numbers of potential buyers are alienated and left out.

And it's not only Zara, many companies are doing this currently. They should wise up IMO and not let their marketing campaigns be hijacked by the advertising agencies who appear to have no clue what they're doing. Or they are following dubious 'trends' (who knows who sets these anyway)

I also wonder whether they run any focus groups, who they are including in these groups and what responses they are getting exactly.

Very slim yes but possibly not unhealthy. Some people's statures are just like that. I have a very dear friend who eats everything and has never put an inch on even throughout her pregnancies just the bump and nothing else grew.

The proportions make no sense unless photoshopped - there would be a massively wide gap between her legs at the top if they actually remained that straight all the way to her crotch. Who has a massively wide crotch?!

I'm 5' 10" , I am on the 98.8 percentile for height.
Do I know a lot of tall women? Yes and I am related to half of them.
Are many of them that skinny? The young ones are, the older ones used to be and are now a 10-14.
Are a disproportionate amount of my friends way above average height? Dammed right they are, people like to be friends with people who don't bully or body shame them. If someone's first words to me are about how slim/skinny/malnourished I am, it is unlikely that we will develop a close friendship.

I would assume some companies have tried using 5'5" size 12 models.

Looks fine to me, and healthy.

Problem is people don't often see people like this in every day life. If you spend time in a shop observing people and count the ones that are actually a healthy weight, the small number will shock you. I spent 5 mins in a supermarket a week ago that was at peak time, very busy. Only counted 10 people who were a healthy weight (didn't include myself in that figure either!). We have become blind to what healthy actually is, and when you tell someone they need to lose 3-4stone of weight to be healthy, they go 'oh no that can't be right, I'd be a skeleton'. We don't know what healthy is now.

She looks thin by today's standards, but she'd be pretty normal in the 50s/60s/70s.

twiggy

@thenightsky

She looks thin by today's standards, but she'd be pretty normal in the 50s/60s/70s.

twiggy

Twiggy wasn't exactly "normal" for the time, either! Hence the name.

@thenightsky

She looks thin by today's standards, but she'd be pretty normal in the 50s/60s/70s.

twiggy

Twiggy has really strong views on the fashion industry’s role in people developing anorexia.

From an interview with her…

She says, "Unfortunately the fashion industry, which thinks clothes look better on skinny people and the media, are responsible for putting pressure on girls to look thin. They shouldn't.

"Why does everyone have to be thin? You get it outside the modelling world: there were two or three anorexics at Carly's [her daughter] school. At 16 or 17 you're so conscious of your body image. It's an awful age when nothing is right about your appearance.

"It's so dangerous because these girls buy magazines where everyone is a size two.

"It's obscene, they read them as if they're the bible."

@ThumbWitchesAbroad having watched the video you posted below I can see that the issue is not whether a particular model has an ED or that some women without an ED are thin, but that the presentation of the model apes that of SM celebrities that do have ED in terms of poses that are designed to show the body rather than the clothes.

To imagine that in addition to the poses, the images are photoshopped to make it look that the upper arm is as thin as the wrist, the thigh is as thin as the ankle is sick. Stick thin limbs with no flesh - no muscle - are more prominent than the clothing being sold. Why would the model be instructed to extend their arms and raise their leg?

The proportions make no sense unless photoshopped - there would be a massively wide gap between her legs at the top if they actually remained that straight all the way to her crotch. Who has a massively wide crotch?!

There is a video of the standing model on the Zara web site. She doesn't look any different. Photoshopping a video isn't that easy.
www.zara.com/uk/en/woman-dresses-l1066.html?v1=1718163

Scroll down about half way.

[quote Fizbosshoes]@Hestartedoffsowell
It's no effort whatsoever for me

I know I do and no I don't eat like a horse, I eat until I'm full and I have a very small appetite but have had children and run ultra marathons so presumably I'm eating enough to function perfectly normally

"Its no effort whatsoever" would suggest that this is your normal weight regardless of what you ate etc....but having a very small appetite and running ultramarathons is surely making an effort to keep a lean physique?[/quote]
That's actually a lightbulb moment for me. I'm not thin but I am slim but constantly trying to lose weight. I run ultra marathons and train for them purely to lose weight. I even did an Ironman and the following day was immediately disappointed as I hadn't lost any weight. I don't like to admit it but I absolutely have an unhealthy attitude to food. I lie and say I want to posh my endurance levels but that's a lie. I want to be thin.

serenenadine

Even of you don't lose weight with your running it's super beneficial for your heart, bone density, general health. Stick with it fellow ultra runner!

As for that Zara video on the page before, the girl featured in the original photo in the OP is in the video mucking about with a parasol so she hasn't been photoshopped unless you can do the same with moving film.

Someone mentioned her wrist bone sticking out. Mine are like that and I'm a size 20, but with bony wrists and ankles.

Her arms and legs look really thin, no muscle, so on that, no, I don't think she is a healthy size.

I don't think we should be analysing people in terms of their body shape it just perpetuates poor body image for everyone. Some people are this thinn we than others get over it.

She may just be naturally very slim. I am even though I eat loads I think I have hollow legs as I just don’t put on weight even though I would love to

Alfiemoon1

Me too

@Moelwynbach

I don't think we should be analysing people in terms of their body shape it just perpetuates poor body image for everyone. Some people are this thinn we than others get over it.

100 pct agree. People have different body shapes / height etc…

"True diversity would mean being representative of actual women - where are all the 5ft 3, size 12 models?!"

But that wouldn't work. If a model looked like me, she wouldn't make the clothes look good and people wouldn't buy them.
In the same way, they don't have average or ugly faces, they're beautiful because their job is to make the clothes look good.

But that body isn’t beautiful and the clothes don’t look good.

Are you actually saying clothes only look good on stick thin people? Who says? What a message to give young girls. It’s dreadful.

My mother recently sent some family photos from the 1950s. The teenage girls have 18 to 21 inch waists but they also have curves and yet they don't look either skinny or 'thick'. I really wonder if we gain flesh differently because of hormones and additives in food and even in the air and the water table. I don't see any modern people with those shapes.