All the genders..

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I had a debate with my teenagers and their friends about all the new genders. And it went on to this:

If a male feels like a woman, she should be in the female showers in fitness centers etc. Also if she still has male genitals. When i say i would really not have male genitals in my shower, im sexist.

I really dont Care what gender people are, but i dont want to shower with male bodies. They were appaled of how sexist i am.

Am i? Really? Maby there is more to this than i am aware of?

@VladmirsPoutine

This subject is really a mumsnet hobby horse!

I used to be on the side of the fence that sex binary i.e you are either a man or a woman. (Leaving aside intersex people as I feel people often use them as a stick to beat others with). But what does what someone call themselves and their genitals got to do with you? We'd all be much happier if we could all live and let live. If a man is going to assault or rape you he isn't going to go to the trouble of buying a dress and a wig and calling himself Jessica.

He needn't go to any such trouble. We've got de facto self-ID in this country now, male sex offenders have been given access to the female prison estate without the MoJ even questioning.

@Soverymuchfruit

I doubt the scenario you have in mind would happen often. A trans woman pre op is likely to be too self conscious about her naked body and how others would respond, to use a communal shower like that anyway.

'trans woman pre-op' = that'll be a man then. Absolutely no difference between them and a natal man. And I don't want to shower with men, thank you very much.

I know that access to women's only spaces is a far more serious issue but one thing I think makes a lot of people stop and think is access to women's sports; and what that means for women.