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To want to cry every night about my kids bedtimes?

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Theghostofchristmasarse · 15/06/2021 22:08

I'm about to lose it. Single mum, DC with me 5 to 6 nights a week. DD is 11, DS is 6...both suspected ADHD/ADD. They NEVER STOP. Unless it's screens, then they don't listen to anything or anyone.

DD is up and down stairs all fucking evening, getting snacks, doing this, doing that... finally sleeps around 11pm. She's wonderful and so clever and can be do thoughtful and kind, but fuck me she just doesn't switch off. I get constant lip from her because she's tired, I can't give her any attention because of her brother..I've tried to get her to sort her pets out tonight and tidy her room, but kept having to ask and chivvy and remind and her brother just wanted constant attention so it didn't get done.

DS demands I stay with him, in his bed, until he falls asleep. Every night. It's nearly 10 and he's wailing now because I won't let him basically lie on top of me. He has to be in physical contact. I'm so hot, I'm so fed up...if I leave him he screams, wails, shouts mummmymummymummy at the top of his voice. Been doing bath and bed since 7.30pm.

I'm a teacher, I've not had the energy to work in the evening for months, I need to, to keep on top of work. I sit here doing emails on my phone waiting for him to sleep.

I'm at the end of my tether, I've got piles of washing everywhere, clean but not put away because I never get a bloody minute in the evenings. House is a tip, cat needs feeding and as a result is also now in here wailing at me, other pets to sort, lunches to make.. I've got easily an hour, maybe two of stuff to do for the morning and despite doing loads since I've been home I know I won't get to even switch my laptop on untill 11 at least and then might not sleep until 1am..I do get a day off a week but it's spent just running around playing catch-up. 4 days a week I'm up at 6 and weekends DS is up at 7 or earlier, plus during the night, last night he was calling out several times in the night, waking me. DD at least now sleeps through, neither of them did until about age 4, not one night. Neither ever slept during the day, not longer than 20 mins.

They've always been this way, nothing works. I think I've tried everything. I'm speaking to the child health service once a week to get advice from a counsellor as his behaviour is terrible too, tantrums, screaming, ignoring... but they suggested a timer when he knew I'd go after 15 mins of staying with him and he just screams.

When he's with his dad he does this, he has to call me or play a recorded story by me to help him sleep, or he sits with him too. He didn't bother keeping up the timer thing either so it's pointless as there's no consistent approach.

The heat isn't helping either.

I'm just at the end of my tether. If I'm honest the issues with both kids split up my relationship as ex didnt help at all and I had to beg him to take over most nights so I could work. I took a cut in hours as I was so exhausted, now I'm on my own I'm still exhausted but skint too.

I'm just on the edge of tears every night with this. I've got a wonderful boyfriend who is sympathetic but doesn't have his own kids, we see each other once a week and I prioritise sleep then and get a break from the relentless bedtimes, but he really wanted to chat tonight about something that happened today and I still haven't been able to call him. He's really patient but he's no idea really what it can be like.

I just feel so overwhelmed by it all. Sorry for the sweary rant. I just don't know what to do. I really like living on my own, I'm much happier without my ex and he wasn't much help either, on the spectrum too so used to just need telling directly constantly what I needed him to do and it was exhausting...then used to just create more mess and get sulky with me when I'd spend all evening cleaning or working or doing everything for the next day. Used to get himself up in the morning without helping and just sort himself out, trot off to work and leave me to sort the kids.. Most days are easily better without that but it's so lonely lying here night after night.

I know it'll get better, probably in 5 or 6 years time if DD is anything to go by, but I'll just have an 11 year old that can sort of put himself to bed but is still bloody awake and an 17 year old who will most likely be out causing me other worries 😂 oh and I'll be nearly 50 so menopausal too, happy days 😭

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MildredPuppy · 15/06/2021 22:15

Oh dear. You poor thing. That sounds really tough and relentless. Flowers

Im very impressed you manage to teach. You are doing amazingly well with all that going on.

Cant offer advice other than have they got melatonin?

HotChocolateLover · 15/06/2021 22:23

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BlatantlyNameChanged · 15/06/2021 22:31

Speak to your GP about melatonin, even just a month long course to help break this cycle you're in. Slentyo was recently licensed for use in children with a diagnosis of/suspected diagnosis of ASD without the need for a shared care agreement from a paediatrician or psychiatrist.

LoopTheLoops · 15/06/2021 22:33

Mine are the same, asd never sleep! I had 4 hours sleeps the other night, gonna beg for melatonin

BlatantlyNameChanged · 15/06/2021 22:37

I have two DC who are autistic and melatonin has been life changing. We've gone from multiple trips up and down the stairs, "I need a drink/wee/cuddle/random McDonald's toy from that day back in 2014", purposely waking up the other DC, and not sleeping until around 2am (then up at 6am!) to sleepy children who stay in their beds and drift off with minimal fuss.

UhtredRagnarson · 15/06/2021 22:39

Melatonin made the world of difference for my son with ADHD.

LoopTheLoops · 15/06/2021 22:50

Melatonin can only be prescribed by a paediatrician I’ve heard? Is that right?

Smallredclip · 15/06/2021 22:53

No you can buy melatonin online from biovea

BlatantlyNameChanged · 15/06/2021 22:56

Some, such as Circadan, can only be prescribed a paediatrician but there is now one brand (Slentyo) that can be prescribed directly by the GP if a child has ASD.

BlatantlyNameChanged · 15/06/2021 22:57

You can also get the others, such as Circadin, directly from the GP but only on a short course - usually thirty days - as a stopgap measure.

LoopTheLoops · 15/06/2021 22:59

Oh thanks I was told on another group I would have to see a paediatrician to get it and well we all know that’s not a quick process!

beinglikedisoverrated · 15/06/2021 23:00

Could you get your DD to feed the cat and help out some washing away? ( Might need to use bribery.....)

CrazyCatsAndKittens · 15/06/2021 23:01

I also feel your pain!

My eldest listens to audio books on Alexa until he falls asleep. I just sleep in with my youngest and then get up early to do chores. So, we all go to bed at 9pm and I get up around 5am. It works ok for us even though I’m sure others would be horrified.

Theghostofchristmasarse · 15/06/2021 23:06

Maybe I'll try the GP...I've heard about it but just assumed we wouldn't get it. DD has only really been obviously ADD in the last year, but looking back all the symptoms were there (don't really like to call them symptoms, as she's amazing , they both are, they're just themselves really) but school say they can't see it and she's barely been there so they're reluctant to do s screening. DS has always been the same. Both very bright, fine at school, everyone just says he's a normal boy ..but something isn't right, definitely. It's really affecting our day to day lives. I don't even know if they'd get a diagnosis, as I think it's fine through school? And if he's being challenged, busy etc, he's fine...it just all comes out in his interactions with me and the other adults in his life..I've done the checklists online and said yes to literally every question..hyperfocus, restlessness, sleep, bed wetting, noise is an issue, DD says it's like trying to listen to one thing with 6 radios going at once when she's in the classroom...but she's amazing in tests, because it's silent. But she's started fidgeting constantly, getting agitated when things are distracting her, can't focus to read, doesn't hear when I ask her questions...DS does all that too, then it's the bedtimes.. horrific.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask. I think I just assume it's a thing to do with me, or how much he's attached to me. He's only been going overnight to his dad's for a year and he mostly goes without bother, but often doesn't want to leave me. The few days after he's home he's unbearable, late nights like tonight. Doesn't help that his dad doesn't get home till 7pm most nights, or later, if he goes midweek or on a Friday I don't even get them to his and home before 8pm. So really it's one proper evening a fortnight I get free...I should catch up with everything then, but I just want to spend time with the BF, when I can.
He finally slept at 10.15. I've just put a wash on, tidied up and now I'm procrastinating. I should work but I can't face it.

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BlatantlyNameChanged · 15/06/2021 23:06

The gatekeeping around melatonin is ridiculous at times especially as it's a low risk medication that is well tolerated by the majority and with few (if any) side effects. Personally I see no reason why a GP shouldn't be able to prescribe it and put on repeat if needed but that's not my decision. Slenyto was only licensed a short while ago (last year) but you definitely do not need a paediatrics referral for it, one of my DC gets it direct from the GP on repeat with no referral and no shared care arrangement.

Sycamor · 15/06/2021 23:12

Another vote for Melatonin. Was a total game changer for us. Bedtime was hellish 3 hours plus every night, my son is asd and I suspect adhd and just couldn't switch off. Nothing worked. Routines, no screens, baths, exercise in the day, winding down time. And my then 6yr old dd was pretty much putting herself to bed every night. It was horrible. The first time he took it he was asleep in 40 mins! And his behaviour improved (a little) as he was getting more rest. Don't be afraid to tell the gp the effect this is having on you also.

Theghostofchristmasarse · 15/06/2021 23:14

DD listens to Alexa audiobooks every night, she's doesn't even listen to the story anymore I don't think. Just Stephen Fry's dulcit tones reading Harry P.
DS has rainforest sounds, I guess it helps a bit 🤷

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Midgeymoo12 · 15/06/2021 23:14

My 6 year old little boy is a struggle. He does like reading though and will keep occupied with that for 30 minutes, while I tidy around 8pm. Is that an option - a book or a comic like Beano?

Heat and light nights is tricky. Could you try a blackout curtain and a fan?

As another suggested, mine tends to go to sleep listening to an audiobook. He struggles to stay still if he is just in bed trying to go to sleep.

Try to pop in and out tucking him in and stroking his head rather than being in bed with him until he is asleep? You can get little bits done in the house that way.

So tricky. I’m interested in finding out more about melatonin.

UhtredRagnarson · 15/06/2021 23:16

OP my son is ridiculously attached to me too. At 12 he still sleeps in my bed. It’s exhausting but at least in my bed he actually sleeps! Last night he tried to sleep in his own room but a spider came in so he trapped it in a plastic tub but then he felt guilty about trapping it so tried to put it out the window and it crawled up his arm into his pjs so he had to strip off his clothes and couldn’t find it which meant he couldn’t stay in his room and I wasn’t allowed to go into his room to get him new PJs in case it had gone in those so I had to get some from his brother. All after hearing this long and convoluted story. At midnight.

I should work but I can't face it.

You should sleep. ‘Cause I bet everything in my fridge that you need to.

Midgeymoo12 · 15/06/2021 23:17

Audio books are great on audible. My little boy keeps listening to Bill Bryson Short History of Nearly Everything!

I have also found they help me go to sleep without having worries racing (mostly about my 6 year old) through my head. I only get around 5-10 mins in each night and I’m fast asleep.

anappleadaykeeps · 15/06/2021 23:17

Echo everyone else's advice re trying melatonin. It made such a difference when DS was 8 yrs old in our case. He needed help to stop his brain and thoughts going to overdrive each night - and the difference it made was amazing. Rather than still being awake at 11pm, he would be asleep by 8.30pm, and so much better rested the following day.

We also found that having a rule that he was allowed downstairs 3 times briefly each evening after bedtime, before anyone started to get cross with him, really helped. If his brain was whizzing away on something that he just had to come and tell us about, then that was allowed. Once we had the rule of it being allowed 3 times, most nights it would only be once.

Theghostofchristmasarse · 15/06/2021 23:26

His room is totally dark, he does have a fishtank, I thought it would help but it's just another distraction. DD was putting herself to bed at 6 when he was 1, with DH downstairs ignoring us...he walks nearly 3 miles to school and back, spent an hour outside with beavers tonight running around. He literally throws himself around all day, he never walks anywhere. It's parkour everything!
I think I'll make an appointment tomorrow. Guess they can only say no. I was on antidepressants for a while and had counseling, I can explain how down it's making me feel.

If I leave the room he goes ballistic. I can manage it sometimes, by promising I'll come back, until he crashes. Loves reading, two books a night. But has to be touching me. I haven't breastfed in over 4 years but he still tries to stick his hand down my top 🤦

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UhtredRagnarson · 15/06/2021 23:33

He literally throws himself around all day, he never walks anywhere. It's parkour everything!

Grin yup! Same here.

Theghostofchristmasarse · 15/06/2021 23:37

Thank you all, so much. I'm going to try to collect my thoughts tomorrow and make an appointment. I'll try bribing DD but she's a walking disaster, she's never got her thoughts on what she's doing, makes a mess, knocks things over...causes more trouble than the help..

I'd say I wouldn't swap them but right now I might be persuaded 😂

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