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To want to cry every night about my kids bedtimes?

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Theghostofchristmasarse · 15/06/2021 22:08

I'm about to lose it. Single mum, DC with me 5 to 6 nights a week. DD is 11, DS is 6...both suspected ADHD/ADD. They NEVER STOP. Unless it's screens, then they don't listen to anything or anyone.

DD is up and down stairs all fucking evening, getting snacks, doing this, doing that... finally sleeps around 11pm. She's wonderful and so clever and can be do thoughtful and kind, but fuck me she just doesn't switch off. I get constant lip from her because she's tired, I can't give her any attention because of her brother..I've tried to get her to sort her pets out tonight and tidy her room, but kept having to ask and chivvy and remind and her brother just wanted constant attention so it didn't get done.

DS demands I stay with him, in his bed, until he falls asleep. Every night. It's nearly 10 and he's wailing now because I won't let him basically lie on top of me. He has to be in physical contact. I'm so hot, I'm so fed up...if I leave him he screams, wails, shouts mummmymummymummy at the top of his voice. Been doing bath and bed since 7.30pm.

I'm a teacher, I've not had the energy to work in the evening for months, I need to, to keep on top of work. I sit here doing emails on my phone waiting for him to sleep.

I'm at the end of my tether, I've got piles of washing everywhere, clean but not put away because I never get a bloody minute in the evenings. House is a tip, cat needs feeding and as a result is also now in here wailing at me, other pets to sort, lunches to make.. I've got easily an hour, maybe two of stuff to do for the morning and despite doing loads since I've been home I know I won't get to even switch my laptop on untill 11 at least and then might not sleep until 1am..I do get a day off a week but it's spent just running around playing catch-up. 4 days a week I'm up at 6 and weekends DS is up at 7 or earlier, plus during the night, last night he was calling out several times in the night, waking me. DD at least now sleeps through, neither of them did until about age 4, not one night. Neither ever slept during the day, not longer than 20 mins.

They've always been this way, nothing works. I think I've tried everything. I'm speaking to the child health service once a week to get advice from a counsellor as his behaviour is terrible too, tantrums, screaming, ignoring... but they suggested a timer when he knew I'd go after 15 mins of staying with him and he just screams.

When he's with his dad he does this, he has to call me or play a recorded story by me to help him sleep, or he sits with him too. He didn't bother keeping up the timer thing either so it's pointless as there's no consistent approach.

The heat isn't helping either.

I'm just at the end of my tether. If I'm honest the issues with both kids split up my relationship as ex didnt help at all and I had to beg him to take over most nights so I could work. I took a cut in hours as I was so exhausted, now I'm on my own I'm still exhausted but skint too.

I'm just on the edge of tears every night with this. I've got a wonderful boyfriend who is sympathetic but doesn't have his own kids, we see each other once a week and I prioritise sleep then and get a break from the relentless bedtimes, but he really wanted to chat tonight about something that happened today and I still haven't been able to call him. He's really patient but he's no idea really what it can be like.

I just feel so overwhelmed by it all. Sorry for the sweary rant. I just don't know what to do. I really like living on my own, I'm much happier without my ex and he wasn't much help either, on the spectrum too so used to just need telling directly constantly what I needed him to do and it was exhausting...then used to just create more mess and get sulky with me when I'd spend all evening cleaning or working or doing everything for the next day. Used to get himself up in the morning without helping and just sort himself out, trot off to work and leave me to sort the kids.. Most days are easily better without that but it's so lonely lying here night after night.

I know it'll get better, probably in 5 or 6 years time if DD is anything to go by, but I'll just have an 11 year old that can sort of put himself to bed but is still bloody awake and an 17 year old who will most likely be out causing me other worries 😂 oh and I'll be nearly 50 so menopausal too, happy days 😭

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Merryoldgoat · 17/06/2021 23:45

What about bribery?

My son was similar and didn’t sleep through until 4.

Once he was 6 I just had to stop and I bribed him with an expensive-ish toy he was desperate for.

I said if he did 7 nights in a row he could have it. It worked. We read a story, have a chat, put on audiobook or music and leave the door open.

Do you think that might work?

You sound exhausted - it’s terrible and hard and too much and you need help. Flowers

sashh · 18/06/2021 03:13

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

Do you think a child paralyzed from the waist down is just lazy and you would insist they walked and get rid of the wheelchair?

romdowa · 18/06/2021 03:53

From the perspective of an adult with adhd. You're expecting too much , sleep disorders are hugely common with the condition and I still as an adult can't fall asleep until I literally pass out. You're main issue seems to be the distress he is in when you leave and that is probably what you need to address. Getting him to stay in his room calmly even when awake is probably a more realistic goal. Then keeping him occupied long enough to do that is another issue with adhd. Does he have a movie or TV show he likes to watch , maybe sticking that on, with dim lights. Slowly extracting yourself, so that he finds a way to actually self sooth. I find a hot water bottle helps me to relax enough to actually go to sleep. Nightmares , vivid dreams and frequent wakings are also common as well.

fairybaby · 18/06/2021 07:17

Two kids with ADHD here, and melatonin is a lifesaver. The youngest still tries to mess around at bedtime, but we are pretty firm and dead boring, so she eventually gets it and puts herself to bed.
I also think you should simplify your life as much as you can. Be ruthless with your declutter. Look up some organization and tome saving tips here and get your kids to help. If there is less clutter, it will be a lot easier for them to do chores. I also suggest you have a think about the pets. Pets create clutter and ass to the stress of more to do. No ADHD household needs yet more on their plate. 🤣

lakesummer · 18/06/2021 13:10

Loopy app has given you the advice we were given by our ADHD team for our DS, alongside melatonin.

DS only uses melatonin occasionally now because his sleep routine is much stronger.

It honestly sounds like you are doing great.

lakesummer · 18/06/2021 13:10

We actually do have pets because we find that they help ds regulate his emotions.

Theghostofchristmasarse · 18/06/2021 13:25

Thanks all, loads of great advice. I'm not sure how long a paed referral will take..🤷 I'm going to push for DD to have one too I think.

The pets give both kids so much joy, plus me too, they're staying! I'm going to speak to DD about managing what needs to be done each day, she woke up early this morning so I just told her she needs to do the pet jobs, she did it happily.

I worry about the screens too late, otherwise I'd definitely let him watch cartoons in bed, to settle him...but I just think it must be overstimulation too? Funny you mentioned the hot water bottle, he slept without me when we went camping a while ago, short of making him sleep in the garden, I thought I could try the hot water bottle he had, see if the weight and warmth of it helps him.

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lakesummer · 18/06/2021 14:54

We were told to make sure screens had finished an hour before bed and that there was 30 minutes sensory activity before each bedtime.

We had sleep casts for a while but honestly ds didn't like them. He has podcasts now.

romdowa · 18/06/2021 14:58

@Theghostofchristmasarse

Thanks all, loads of great advice. I'm not sure how long a paed referral will take..🤷 I'm going to push for DD to have one too I think.

The pets give both kids so much joy, plus me too, they're staying! I'm going to speak to DD about managing what needs to be done each day, she woke up early this morning so I just told her she needs to do the pet jobs, she did it happily.

I worry about the screens too late, otherwise I'd definitely let him watch cartoons in bed, to settle him...but I just think it must be overstimulation too? Funny you mentioned the hot water bottle, he slept without me when we went camping a while ago, short of making him sleep in the garden, I thought I could try the hot water bottle he had, see if the weight and warmth of it helps him.

Weirdly I only find new shows over stimulating, an old favourite helps me to relax. Its like they give stimulants to medically treat adhd. What stimulates a neurodiverse brain, can calm an adhd one. I find the noise helps to drown out my brain and allows me to fall asleep but sometimes I can't sleep and I used to find the pressure to sleep was way too much. So now I often get 5 hours sleep but I just sit awake in the middle of the night and watch TV or read and often ill get tired again. It's so common with adhd .
TheLovelinessOfDemons · 18/06/2021 15:06

I have 2 DC at home. DS 9 has ADHD and even that's exhausting, coupled with DD 13 needing me to say goodnight to her right before she goes to sleep, which is sometimes midnight. If I don't she's in at 1am saying she can't sleep. I'm not getting enough sleep, because I need to be ready by the time I get them up for school. Well done to you for surviving!

AlohaMolly · 18/06/2021 15:13

I could be massively overstepping here OP, but DS5 is struggling to wind down at the moment and get to sleep. He’s NT so not the same, but I was recommended some child friendly guided/sleep meditations that seem to help him settle down. I’ve popped the link below, it’s a playlist on Spotify -

open.spotify.com/playlist/3wsgME2D1SSBuJn3KNUpti?si=LJUJdY5nTm2pGG9Ec--7MA&dl_branch=1

You sound like an absolute legend by the way.

UhtredRagnarson · 18/06/2021 16:54

Weirdly I only find new shows over stimulating, an old favourite helps me to relax.

I’m exactly the same and have been since I was a child. I have something familiar on the Tv to fall asleep to every night.

BlatantlyNameChanged · 18/06/2021 16:56

My DC watch the same episodes of shows and same YouTube videos over and over, they find comfort from the familiarity.

Skatastic · 18/06/2021 16:58

For starters tell your ex that when he has them he needs to sort them. Fuck ringing you good grief! You need some proper down time.

Also yes, melatonin.

Maggiesfarm · 18/06/2021 18:23

How much melatonin do you give your children? I'm interested because I buy it for myself (& it doesn't work on me).

UhtredRagnarson · 18/06/2021 19:26

I give DS (12) 1mg

BlatantlyNameChanged · 18/06/2021 21:24

DS (11) has 2mg and other DS (7) has 1mg

YorkshireLass2012 · 18/06/2021 21:32

OP, I have no advice but wanted to post a hug to you. You are a superstar.

Theghostofchristmasarse · 18/06/2021 21:34

I've ordered 5mg gummies, going to cut them into quarters to try 🤷

Not having such a great evening, DS calling out still, given up and sitting with him, but just discovered DD has nits, so after combing her hair, I'm on to doing mine as soon as he bloody sleeps...that melatonin can't come quick enough!

DD does respond to listening to audiobooks each night, DS not do much. He's just started to be able to watch most of a film without getting bored or distracted. I think he gets so engrossed in watching cartoons he wouldn't sleep. Worth s try though maybe.

And yes, will be speaking to the ex tomorrow about doing his bit, I am often busy now when he calls, feel bad for DS but he cant think that I'm going to rescue him every time he's at daddy's.

Just starting to notice now he's doing the repetition thing, lying here now he's touching each finger over and over, drawing circles in the air etc..I guess it's just normal to me do I hadn't thought anything of it.
Praying for sleep so I can go and comb my hair through, itching now thinking about nits!

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UhtredRagnarson · 18/06/2021 21:39

Little tip OP. Start writing down all the things you notice as you notice them. (Like the repetitive touching, drawing circles etc) I find it really helpful when seeing GP/ADHD consultant to have it all written down. Before I started doing thing I would find myself in front of a professional asking me to describe all his behaviours and I couldn’t recall the half of them. I felt like they thought I was wasting their time. Far better now that I have the list right there.

cappuccinoandcats · 18/06/2021 21:49

Melatonin

Theghostofchristmasarse · 18/06/2021 23:21

@UhtredRagnarson yes, thank you, I just did think tonight I need to start a journal really.

I have no idea how long it'll take to get a referral, anyone know? I'm in Kent..🤷

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