Ollie Robinson cancel culture what do you believe?

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The latest news is about Ollie Robinson about a cricket player who when he was 18 years old was found tweeting sexist and racist things.

England dropped him and made him apologise. And there is no idea if he will ever return.

We can all agree that people need to be hold accountable for their actions. Some people definitely should be cancelled e.g. Katie Hopkins, Anjem Chowdhury as they will never change (or they aren't willing to.)

But if someone did something say 5 years ago or more and they do not hold these views anymore surely they deserve some sort of chance?

Definitely education is needed which can stop people having ignorant people (not everyone though but many people)

Plus with cancel culture there is a double standard if you say we should cancel then a lot of people should be cancelled e.g. Chris Brown, Camila Cabello (racist messages in the past etc..)

@EloquentlyBrash

His tweets were cringey, ignorant and very poor taste but he doesn’t deserve to be cancelled. He’s probably grown up a lot since they were posted.

exactly this ^^ I also find the underhanded hunting of past twitter(s) to denounce someone on their debut day extremely obnoxious. My hope is that twitter itself will be cancelled so that it does not hang around - and of course the twitter users need to check their historical tweets

"he was an adult - he still likely fundamentally holds these views he isn't going to change overnight"

No, but there's a big change over ten years. 18 is legally an adult, but you haven't been out in the adult world for long enough to shake off the influences of your childhood. Or develop your thinking.

He isn't, but most sportspeople are from ordinary backgrounds. We don't teach critical thinking skills in most Comps. If you are bought up around racist humour and your peer group indulges in that, then most teenage lads will do the same. After a few years of work and thinking things through, you can completely change. I never realised how important the usage of language was. It took into my 40's to totally get the everyday sexism. I grew up with women who thought street harassment was flattering.

I agree with the points about sexism not being held to the same standard. We seem to pick and choose who to cancel. During Covid Mosques had to limit numbers, in some cases they didn't offer any services for women. There's no national outcry about that. Surely any man who attended knowing that, was saying that they agreed that women were so lowly that the mosque shouldn't put themselves out for them? There's been some outrageous statements made by high profile Muslim men about women and girls, why aren't we seeing sexism being held to the same standard, as well as the hatred towards biological women by the trans community?

The point about our justice system is a good one. A lot of professions allow criminal offences to be disregarded if they are committed under 25. Even more so under 20. Unless it's an extreme case, teenage behaviour shouldn't follow you throughout your life.

I agree with the points about sexism not being held to the same standard

Lots of things aren’t held to the same standard - as you mention, the Mosques not offering services to women - so should Eric Hobsbawn have his books removed from public libraries for supporting Stalin, one of the worst mass murderers in history?
I can’t see that happening somehow.

I think legally there are different equality standards for religion, organisation and practice in this country. From what I remember when I spent a lot time with muslim friends, attending mosque for prayers is not an obligation for women and it is similar with judaism. It is seen as a privilege for women to be able to carry out their religious obligations at home with their family or with female friends.

It always surprises me when I see people wearing red clothing with slogans/symbols relating back to the Stalinist times as fashion items and that is seen as somehow acceptable by people who would rightly despise any nazi era references being used for fashion and fun. I assume they are simply ignorant of the huge oppression and suffering inflicted on citizens of the USSR. Well in this country anyway, I am aware many other countries do not have the same attitude.

Unless it's an extreme case, teenage behaviour shouldn't follow you throughout your life.

I agree but whether the more extreme of the cancelling mob will try to prevent anyone they disapprove of from being given a second chance remains to be seen.

The different standards are purely to do with who has the most power. It has nothing to do with the merits of the situation.

In this case, it's probably the sponsors. That's why someone whose job is to take wickets (FGS) is getting hauled over the coals.

I'm thinking again about Holding. He may always have been a gentleman off the field but he could be a right thug on it, so I think his comments are just a bit much.

I'm 47 I never said anything racist when I was a teenager. If I was In would be very embarrassed and accept I needed to be punished.
Being racist wasn't OK . Twitter isn't that fucking old

Pinchoftums

So if you had said something offensive in your teenage years you'd accept being punished buy your current employer?

I think checking for wrong tweets, whattsap jokes, texts etc is going to become more widespread.
Employers will demand the right to check job applicants phones before offering them jobs (maybe this already happens) to make sure employees are ‘clean’.
There will be teams of people checking previous comments - by hacking if necessary - of anyone in the public eye in the hope of catching them out and being able to cancel them.

Twitter isn't that fucking old

Maybe not now but as the years pass it will get older and as I said upthread, no one knows what will become taboo in the future. Who knew a few years ago that saying women have vaginas would cause such uproar today.

@Andante57

I think checking for wrong tweets, whattsap jokes, texts etc is going to become more widespread. Employers will demand the right to check job applicants phones before offering them jobs (maybe this already happens) to make sure employees are ‘clean’. There will be teams of people checking previous comments - by hacking if necessary - of anyone in the public eye in the hope of catching them out and being able to cancel them.

I think this is the most frightening thing to contemplate. We have freedom of speech in this country - but not freedom to twit or text the 'wrong' sentiment. If someone says something inappropriate in person to a limited audience - it is quickly forgotten if it is retracted, apologised for and explained in context. No-one is punished or 'cancelled'. Sorry to use a hackneyed phrase but it is getting distinctly 'Orwellian'

If someone says something inappropriate in person to a limited audience - it is quickly forgotten if it is retracted, apologised for and explained in context. No-one is punished or 'cancelled'

I’m racking my brains but I think there have been occasions when an inappropriate remark made to a private audience has been reported and the person got into trouble but for the life of me I can’t think who.
The only one I can think of was Gerald Ratner describing one of his products as ‘crap’ which led to his business collapsing but that’s a bit different.

'Cancel Culture', the McCarthyism of the 21st century. How many have done something in our youth that we now regret or recant?

@JudgeJ

'Cancel Culture', the McCarthyism of the 21st century. How many have done something in our youth that we now regret or recant?

Indeed - so I suggest everyone checks every email, text, WhatsApp etc as what was an off-colour joke a few years ago may result in cancellation today. You can run but you can’t hide.

I’m racking my brains but I think there have been occasions when an inappropriate remark made to a private audience has been reported and the person got into trouble but for the life of me I can’t think who.
The only one I can think of was Gerald Ratner describing one of his products as ‘crap’ which led to his business collapsing but that’s a bit different.
Ratner made his comments in part of speech given to a large audience, including many members of the press, at the Royal Albert Hall...hardly a private audience.

I think this is a really good example of the cognitive dissonance from those who decry 'cancel culture'

www.foxnews.com/us/petition-nj-school-board-resign-holidays

Main story on Fox News at the moment - a School Board voted to remove the names of particular holidays from the school calendars, replacing the names with 'day off'.

The American right wing is frothing, decrying it as cancel culture and launching petitions to demand the resignation of the school board....or, y'know... trying to cancel them.

Nutrafin how long should someone be cancelled for for say, a sexist comment? A set amount of time? Forever?

Ridiculous question.

If a company or organization receives complaints about the conduct of one of its employees/members, it should be able to investigate the matter and reach an appropriate decision (which, realistically, will often be as much about the company's bottom line as anything).

And, again, all that has happened with Ollie Watkins is he has been temporarily suspended which the ECB investigates the matter. He has not been 'cancelled' and I think the chances of him being banned are next to zero (unless more comes out in the investigation).

An absolute storm in a teacup.

Basically, I support the right of organizations/companies to investigate conduct, by one of their members/employees and make their own determination as to what sanctions, if any, are appropriate and/or in the best interests of the company/organization.

No doubt they'll get it wrong at times but that's why we have the courts (and other forums) to appeal decisions.

@Nutrafin

Ridiculous question.

If a company or organization receives complaints about the conduct of one of its employees/members, it should be able to investigate the matter and reach an appropriate decision (which, realistically, will often be as much about the company's bottom line as anything).

And, again, all that has happened with Ollie Watkins is he has been temporarily suspended which the ECB investigates the matter. He has not been 'cancelled' and I think the chances of him being banned are next to zero (unless more comes out in the investigation).

An absolute storm in a teacup.

Ollie Robinson - Ollie Watkins is a different person.

Thanks

The American right wing is frothing, decrying it as cancel culture and launching petitions to demand the resignation of the school board....or, y'know... trying to cancel them

Well, if the woke can dish it out, they need to be able to take it

It will happen more and more as the majority are getting increasingly fed up of being terrorised by a minority mob

Well, if the woke can dish it out, they need to be able to take it

It will happen more and more as the majority are getting increasingly fed up of being terrorised by a minority mob
It does, will and always has happened. It's just that the right have given it the handy nickname 'cancel culture ' that only applies in instances they disagree with.

Hell, just in the field of sports, Colin Kaepernick was cancelled by the whole NFL, because right wingers were upset that he kneeled in front of the flag.

And the left call it consequence culture that only applies...