Ollie Robinson cancel culture what do you believe?

[NEVERQUIT3331]

The latest news is about Ollie Robinson about a cricket player who when he was 18 years old was found tweeting sexist and racist things.

England dropped him and made him apologise. And there is no idea if he will ever return.

We can all agree that people need to be hold accountable for their actions. Some people definitely should be cancelled e.g. Katie Hopkins, Anjem Chowdhury as they will never change (or they aren't willing to.)

But if someone did something say 5 years ago or more and they do not hold these views anymore surely they deserve some sort of chance?

Definitely education is needed which can stop people having ignorant people (not everyone though but many people)

Plus with cancel culture there is a double standard if you say we should cancel then a lot of people should be cancelled e.g. Chris Brown, Camila Cabello (racist messages in the past etc..)

Oh and skeptical

But mainly indifferent

I dunno, I certainly never said shit like that

Macncheeseballs you've never said anything that may have offended someone else? Ever? And you hold opinions now that will still be "correct" in the future?

Well done you

I've had some rubbish opinions etc and talked some shit when I was young sure.

But I haven't said anything like what that mp said. And, I'm not an MP.

But I haven't said anything like what that mp said. And, I'm not an MP.
You've never used a gendered slur?

@mustlovegin

She lost her scholarship and any chance of going to any college

The university is being sued

I hope that she wins.

I am not an MP who has made a violent reference to a woman and called her a cunt, no.

I'm not sure what you're struggling with here.

No I don't say stuff like that. The violent imagery and use of the word cunt is vile. The intent is very aggressive.

And he's an MP. A public servant with power.

I don't get your lack of understanding tbh.

Surely people can apologise for past errors, we live in a society where education is important.

@Sometimesfraught82

Oh and skeptical

But mainly indifferent

Unfortunately for everyone, including you, what goes around comes around.

If these tweets were so offensive why weren’t they brought to light 10 years ago

I think sometimes we need a time limit on things being raised

* Unfortunately for everyone, including you, what goes around comes around.*

I don’t know - I’m in my 40s and feeling pretty happy and certainly don’t think my indifference and overwhelming skepticism re the idea of the persecution of feminists will come and and get me in!

Since everything on the internet is written in indelible ink It will be interesting to see who and for what will be cancelled in 20 years time.
It’s hard to predict future taboos so maybe best not to write anything.

I am not an MP who has made a violent reference to a woman and called her a cunt, no.

I'm not sure what you're struggling with here.

No I don't say stuff like that. The violent imagery and use of the word cunt is vile. The intent is very aggressive.

The phrase 'hitting someone where it hurts' is a very common expression and generally does not refer to physical violence.

It was absolutely clear from context (i.e., a call to boycott Michelle Mone's business) that 'where it hurts' meant her company's finances.

idioms.thefreedictionary.com/hit+them+where+it+hurts

@thecatfromjapan

Structural racism is the fact that children in poverty are disproportionately children of colour. And we have increasing numbers of children in poverty.

That's real inequality. How many of those children will go on to play professional cricket?

That's a difficult-to-address structural inequality when it comes to elite sport.

But plastic progress gives us cancel culture and asks us to celebrate it, rather than doing the hard, heavy work of addressing structural inequalities which haven't just persisted but have worsened.

I'm sick of it all.

And angry at this quietist performance of right-Onness from organisations.

Do you have any statistics to back this up? As a teacher, I have worked in schools in very economically deprived areas, and in my experience the poorest families tended to be white, with the least academically able children also being white (boys). The statistics on Progress 8 scores last year show that children of all Asian ethnicities, Chinese children and Black African children out perform White children. How does that square with poverty and racism? www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest Looking at the stats on school exclusions, there’s a stark difference in exclusion rates between White pupils and some Black pupils. As a whole, White pupils had 5.8% exclusions and Black pupils 5.5%. Narrowing it down though, and it’s shocking to see that Black Caribbean pupils have a rate of almost double - 10.37%. The largest group by far is Gypsy/Roma with a rate of 21.26%. That’s shocking.

I’ve never heard the term ‘plastic progress’ but that describes perfectly what I see in schools. We spend a great deal of time addressing inequality, racism, homophobia, sexism, ableism. But is it making a real, permanent difference? If not, why not? And what can be done to accelerate progress?
All that ‘cancel culture’ does is pay lip service to addressing these issues. If people’s views are suppressed , there will never be a chance to genuinely change those views.

Yes, we should hold people to account for their views, to demonstrate that this is not ok.

However, as our own Prime Minister is racist and has made proven racist comments, how can we.

Through 'popularist' politics we are losing our morals as a country.

@Soontobe60

Your percentages don’t acknowledge fact that there are many more white children than black.

What is your point?

I think ‘cancel culture’ is beyond creepy. It stems from social media psychology, this idea that you block someone and they cease to exist for you.

If someone wants to prosecute him in Court for hate speech, go ahead. If not then leave him alone. I despise ‘trial by media’ and other forms of mob justice.

[quote Sometimesfraught82]@Soontobe60

Your percentages don’t acknowledge fact that there are many more white children than black.[/quote]
The figures for performance that I linked does - its % per group, not % overall.

You’re correct that the figures I stated for exclusions is the % of total pupils - I didn’t realise that when I read it. So in fact the picture is far more concerning.

That's a very good summing up skysblue. The blockingvelement hadn't occured to me but I think you're on to something there.

My 9 yo understands about not being racist but that is because she has been brought up like that. At 18 we are often still modelling what we were brought up with and our brain is still developing. I think if the person shows they are sorry and do not believe those things anymore they shouldn't be 'cancelled'. By hearing the person speak out against racism (for example) would do more good than them just silenced and the racist people seeing it as 'one of them,' being hard done by and strengthening their beliefs.

I somewhat agree with you OP but there is a huge difference between physical violence and hateful speech.

I do not think people such as Chris brown should be able to continue his career as he did. He was never cancelled and he still continues to make music and make money from his music.

Hateful speech is born from ignorance mostly. I never spoke out of line as a teen but I definitely had different views that I would be embarrassed to be associated with now and I believe people can grow from that.

If someone wants to prosecute him in Court for hate speech, go ahead. If not then leave him alone. I despise ‘trial by media’ and other forms of mob justice

So the ECB shouldn't be allowed to investigate the matter?

@Snoozysnoozy

What is your point?

The poster has answered your question

All that ‘cancel culture’ does is pay lip service to addressing these issues.

Also those doing the cancelling must enjoy the feeling of power.