Do you believe we have past lives??

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Inspired by my other thread....

Places you have visited with a strange vibe http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4260839-places-you-have-visited-with-a-strange-vibe

Consciousness energises and directs our decisions and actions. There's still no indisputable evidence that the mind is a by-product of matter like the brain, although it seems that in order to remain conscious in the world the brain must be relatively intact and functioning. But that doesn't logically mean that the mind and/or consciousness in some continuing form can't inhabit other forms/worlds that this world and its laws/conditions inhibits and limits our awareness of - under routine circumstances.

It seems that…

It certainly does seem like that.

In fact, do you have any evidence at all of a human mind existing outside of an intact and functioning human brain?

@MasterBeth that was a weirdly angry response for something I said I just wonder about.
I said who fucking knows, I didn't say I know loads about science and it's absolutely what happens when you die 🤷🏻‍♀️

[quote eandz13]@MasterBeth that was a weirdly angry response for something I said I just wonder about.
I said who fucking knows, I didn't say I know loads about science and it's absolutely what happens when you die 🤷🏻‍♀️[/quote]
Clearly you don’t know loads about science. Maybe read the output of people who do know loads about science and stop making yourself look stupid.

@MasterBeth proper weird you mate, calm down.

I’m perfectly calm, thanks.

Calm, no - your responses to many people's posts are unduly aggressive in tone. You're singleminded about our opinions and it's rude. Enjoy your crusade against thinking outside the cultural box

To answer your question, no, I have no empirical evidence I could present to you, and it's just as well I'm not invested in convincing you of anything. My point of view is personal and subjective to a great extent and I'm not about to apologise to anyone for that. It informs my sense of the cosmos I find myself in, the dimensions of which don't end at the edge of scientific proof. That has been my experience. Clearly it hasn't been yours.

Thought so. You’ve just made it up.

If you’d said that at the beginning, instead of attempting to link your own half-baked guff into notions of mathematics and rationalism, we could have all saved ourselves some time.

@MasterBeth We both did essentially say we were pondering...

Sure. And pondering everything is fine and admirable. But what is it about this nonsense that means you are pondering it for more than about half a minute? That’s all I’m asking…

There’s all kinds of shit that might be true and isn’t. Alien abductions. Fairy rings. Changeling children. Santa Claus. The Loch Ness monster. Astrology. Homeopathy. Hinduism. Christianity. Buddhism. Islam. Past lives.

You don’t have an “open mind” if you believe in all of it. So you must practice some way to discriminate about what might be true and what probably isn’t. Why would you put “some of us might have led another life before this one” on a higher plane of probability than “fairies.”

@MasterBeth was going to leave you to it because it seemed like you can't really be arsed with any discussion but...

Clearly you don’t know loads about science. Maybe read the output of people who do know loads about science and stop making yourself look stupid.

Science isn't an absolute truth. It never has been and never will be. Absolute truths don't exist in science. "Facts" are accepted reality but might always be disproved in future. Scientists don't always agree.

If someone says they believe in God you can't shout them down by saying there is no evidence so they are wrong because 'Science'. That's not how science works.

Similarly 'Evolution' is accepted reality but if aliens land on the planet tomorrow and say Gotcha! that may well change. That's exactly how science works.

You can say you disagree with them, just as I might say I don't believe in God. You can also say there is no evidence in 'his' existence... but you can't say just because there is no evidence they are wrong and that is 'Science' and they should go and learn about 'Science'.

That's just... bad science.

There are loads of examples where the accepted reality was turned on it's head because it became observable.

I'm not trying to argue that a soul or a god or a past life or a ghost or a fairy exists, merely saying science can't actually rule it out. So the poster you sent to go read some science can read until her heart is content... none of the science that exists currently can disprove any one of those things 'absolutely'. So I don't see how the poster is making themselves look anymore stupid than someone who rattles on about Science as if it's absolute truth.

Did you learn about The Science That Is Absolute Truth from the MN Covid threads, by any chance?

When a friend of mine was about 9 she went on holiday with her parents and as they approached the cottage they were going to stay in she started saying she had been there before. She described the cottage in great detail, inside and out, before they even got there. They had never been there before. Her parents were so spooked about it that they still won't let her talk about it in front of them even now, 40 years later.

@winched You’re absolutely right. Science can’t disprove the existence of a thing as better evidence for the thing might appear.

That’s why I’ve asked people for the good evidence they have for the existence of the extraordinary things (like the existence of a soul beyond the body or their constant rebirth and past lives) which they claim or suspect exist and which, if they did exist, would run counter to all our current understanding of the universe.

I specifically asked one poster to read some science because she was defining “consciousness” as “energy”, as if they were transferable terms.
That’s like me saying, “in a way, the soul is a kind of gravity”, like that made sense.

(Also, the existence of aliens does nothing to disprove evolution. Why would it?)

@MasterBeth

Thought so. You’ve just made it up.

If you’d said that at the beginning, instead of attempting to link your own half-baked guff into notions of mathematics and rationalism, we could have all saved ourselves some time.

And you will argue the toss about anything as long as you're 'right' and have the last word. Like I said, not invested.

If you understand that time is a relative concept (science!) then it may not be correct to talk about 'past' lives, but other lives might be more logically consistent.

I suppose you'll just shout that down and say I'm being thick.

@UrAWizHarry

No, I'm not a gullible idiot.

Classy

Sometimes I wonder if DS2 is a reincarnated koala with residual memories. He's very marsupial

If you are trying to be logically consistent, why are you spending time pondering past lives or other lives at all when everything we know about our brains suggests it would be far more consistent with our scientific understanding that what people experience as past lives are memories, misunderstandings or hallucinations?

No I don’t

I'd like to. Definitely more believable than the concept of heaven and hell to me. Don't believe in coming back as animals though.

When I was a small child I remember a very vivid dream. It was like I was on some kind of game shown and I was in a big pink and red room and was looking down into my new bedroom and having my parents chosen for me.

Could have been influenced by anything though of course.

@MasterBeth This is a really nice thread, with posters discussing their opinions and experiences. By all means, contribute your own opinions, but can you try to tone down the scathing responses? You've quoted people endlessly in order to insult them, in many cases. What happened to you in a past life to make you so angry?

I will tone down the scathing responses if people stop reporting that their four year old used to be a milkmaid or their grandma was Tutenkhamun.

@MasterBeth

I will tone down the scathing responses if people stop reporting that their four year old used to be a milkmaid or their grandma was Tutenkhamun.

But why are you trying to police their opinions? Nobody is trying to argue that it is all factual.... Just sharing thoughts and ideas. Youre just shouting people down. You didn't answer my last question....were you a tyrannical king?

@Zzelda

The stories on there are jaw dropping - little children who describe in great detail their previous life as people who have been proven to exist

Amazing how people who claim to have had past lives never seem to have been an obscure nobody previously.

In the documentary that was linked, none of the participants claimed to be anyone well known.

@Duchess379

Yes. I was clearly a horrid tyrant in my last life & as a result I'm being punished in this one.

Me too!!