Do you believe we have past lives??

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Inspired by my other thread....

Places you have visited with a strange vibe http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4260839-places-you-have-visited-with-a-strange-vibe

Maybe we do have past lives. But we don't remember them so what does it matter?!?

OK so this morning, DH and I were driving to a not-so-distant town. We drove past a place that looked so familiar to me. I remembered this place had been in a dream recently, although I'd never knowingly been there. It was surreal. Didn't say anything to dh as I knew I couldn't make it sound like it made any sense!

I'm almost certain these little deja vu moments are snippets of 'past lives'.

What I mean is... surely our memories are everything. So if I don't remember something... did it really happen?!?

No. We're a random collection of genes inherited from our parents, there is no rational possibility that we could have past or indeed future lives.

I'm almost certain these little deja vu moments are snippets of 'past lives'

No, they aren't. They're memories that we've forgotten, frequently places and things we've read about or seen in films and TV programmes.

The mathematics inherent in the structure of the universe establishes that probability.

They really don't.

I think it's quite simple - you knew nothing before you were born and you will know nothing when you die. It won't be nothingness as you aren't even there to experience it, if you're not there to experience it then you can't experience it, not even nothingness. Just like how you didn't experience the nothingness before you were born, you just cease to exist.

We will all come back in different bodies but you can't go back in time only forward. So if you die in 2021 you will only come back in another body from 2021 +. Additionally we will all come back as babies and grow and really there is no rhyme or reason for it. But our energy has to go somewhere so it is the luck of the draw. We are not put on this earth for any reason or to learn or achieve anything in particular, none of it really matters all that much but people seem to think it does.

I have no experiences or stories to tell but I’m totally open to the idea

I'm not sure. I've been regressed and while it was a really interesting experience, I don't know if I believed it. I'm by nature a very curious and open minded person so will have a go at most things.
I didn't rate mediums at all as proof of life after death

Not exactly, but I think we might carry with us a lot more of our ancestors’ experiences than we realise. I went down a rabbit hole reading about epigenetic memory a few weeks ago, and that is one amongst several mechanisms by which we can carry experiences through generations. When I have that sense of a place where I feel a connection and that I have been there before, I consider that my ancestors may well have been. I’ve spent a lot of time recently looking from my own family tree through to things like ancient human migrations. There are a lot of things we don’t fully understand yet but science develops all the time and sometimes it ends up agreeing with our gut feelings and belief systems so who knows.

I read that there are more people alive now than have ever lived in the whole history of the world combined.

@onedaybabywelbeold

I think it's quite simple - you knew nothing before you were born and you will know nothing when you die. It won't be nothingness as you aren't even there to experience it, if you're not there to experience it then you can't experience it, not even nothingness. Just like how you didn't experience the nothingness before you were born, you just cease to exist.

We will all come back in different bodies but you can't go back in time only forward. So if you die in 2021 you will only come back in another body from 2021 +. Additionally we will all come back as babies and grow and really there is no rhyme or reason for it. But our energy has to go somewhere so it is the luck of the draw. We are not put on this earth for any reason or to learn or achieve anything in particular, none of it really matters all that much but people seem to think it does.

But that's if time is linear and you discount the idea of a multiverse/multiple universes.

We perceive time as linear, but that doesn't mean it necessarily is.

@baroqueandblue

I think people who refuse to entertain the possibility are the deluded ones. Quite misguided, actually. The whole fact of existence and consciousness in any form is still pretty much beyond human explanation, and even without my own subjective experiences of other 'dimensions' I would have to concede the probability that we live 'other lives'. The mathematics inherent in the structure of the universe establishes that probability. But many 'rationalists' miss that point.

Apart from anything else, when we make even the smallest choice between two or more alternative actions, we leave behind the universe that consists of the opposite action. According to quantum physics, that universe goes on existing somewhere beyond our conscious awareness (and not just as a theory) 😲

Which mathematics exactly?

@Zzelda

No. We're a random collection of genes inherited from our parents, there is no rational possibility that we could have past or indeed future lives.

You're too sensible for this thread! Bugger off with your rational thinking 😆

No, but i think there is scientific evidence for the capacity for inherited memories, it does seem to be existent in animals/birds etc.

There are observed behaviours in animals that could only happen if they have inherited memory form their parents and so on.

I think this does work to explain unusual memories and feelings about places and things that have happened and to an extent deja vu.

Yes and no. Not literally. But energy cannot be created or destroyed and all matter, atoms/ subatomic particles breakdown and reform into new things. We are all part of the same energy-matter continuum now and and at all times.

@Ijustknowitstimetogo

Yes and no. Not literally. But energy cannot be created or destroyed and all matter, atoms/ subatomic particles breakdown and reform into new things. We are all part of the same energy-matter continuum now and and at all times.

I love this idea! It makes logical sense, but still allows for an element of absurdity. The perfect balance!

What are these mathematics?

The mathematics inherent in the structure of the universe establishes that probability

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Huh? Inherent math?

Yes, i remember trying to wrap my head around the fact that the total amount of energy in the planet is constant, it just changes form. so we burn food and create heat and motion and liquid, we burn fossil fuels to create electricity which we power our phones with but that energy still exists - it's bizarre really.

The human brain has a huge capacity so it's only natural that there are areas of it doing stuff that we still don't understand.

I'm almost certain these little deja vu moments are snippets of 'past lives'

No, they aren't. They're memories that we've forgotten, frequently places and things we've read about or seen in films and TV programmes.

Actually that's not what deja vu is at all, and they've never actually proved what it is or isn't, only theorised. The one I think makes most sense is that, when your brain processes "there's a house" it stores it in your long term memory instead of the right now short term memory, so you feel like this happened ages ago instead of right now.

I'm certainly open to the fact we could have had past lives. There is no evidence to rule it out, and in fact, the evidence science does give us is that energy can never be destroyed or created, only changed from one form to another. So I tend to think people who outright dismiss these things are as naive as the people who outright dismiss the existence of aliens.

Past lives?

I don't know, how could anybody I suppose?

Tell you what though; I have seen many dead bodies and you can tell at the moment of death that the essence of what made that person has gone.

But gone where?

On to the next life? To heaven or hell? In to the ether?

I can’t see any reason to think that it’s true.

But even if it were, what practical difference would it make? It won’t make the bus arrive any sooner or make the laundry any more fun or fix the leak in the attic or give you more time with the kids.

I understand the intellectual interest in the notion, but it’s no basis for living a life.

No.

@Iknowtheanswer

I've known a couple of children who talked about when they were here before. This was when they'd just started to talk properly, and they gave quite specific details (names, addresses, events) that 2-3 year olds simply wouldn't know.

The other thing that I find weird is that the two men I have felt the strongest physical connection to in my life (as in, sure we have had amazing sex before, even though I have only just met you) were born on exactly the same day.

I met them 25 years apart, and didn't realise that the second one was born on the same day until recently.

I wonder whether I'd been with them in a previous life

Did you check out the names and addresses to find out if they'd really existed?

For those interested in this subject , I suggest reading books by Michael Newton, Brian Weiss or Andy Tomlinson. They explain a lot.