To think this is just a joke now?

[Justinversusmrtumble]

Portugal possibly going back onto the amber list.
The only thing keeping my parents going is coming to celebrate toddlers DD’s birthday in the summer. It’s getting beyond ridiculous now. Feeling so low today, I miss my family so much.

Hi @Justinversusmrtumble ignore those that are being negative. Nobody would have predicted this when we moved far from our families and if they did then good for them. It’s normal that we are sad. Your family is allowed to visit you , it’s guidance and not law so nobody can stop them from travelling if they’ve the right paperwork that Portugal requests.
Also , if they’ve insurance then it might be void as many don’t allow travelling against fco advice , however , there are some insurances that will cover you in this case.
My family is in Spain , if my flight departs then I’ll be on it. I don’t care anymore what people think. I’ve done enough for this country to help that the virus kept going down. If we’re I. The current scenario it’s not my fault. I won’t be a muppet again and not seeing my family for another year whilst people in this country keep breaking the rules and doing whatever they want. Enough is enough.

Hope you manage to see your family soon.

@Londonmummy66

I can't understand why the UK didn't put Portugal on the amber list before the football match. I can understand a match being abroad when the teams are from 2 different countries but absolute madness to hold a football match overseas when both teams are from the UK.

@Londonmummy66 the football match was meant to be in turkey (red) so when they both qualified then the uk requested for it to be in Wembley. Champions league rejected the request and they agreed that it’d be in Portugal but it wasn’t the first choice from the Uk

@Mandalay246

It’s great posters in Aus are having a great time

It’s not really that relevant to here though

I was responding to a poster who insists people in this part of the world are living under "draconian" leaders and turning into North Korea. Are we only allowed to comment on the original post now?

For what it's worth maybe we are sick of people moaning about not being able to see family abroad - people here can't either, but I've heard very few complain.

I’m sure they’re not. I don’t know any Aus who are because they feel safe. Whereas those who would like to visit home find it harder. If you’re sick of people in U.K. finding this tough don’t read it.

Whereas those who would like to visit home find it harder.

I was talking about the huge number of people from overseas who live in this part of the world and can't visit home when I said I've heard very few complain (I wouldn't have thought that difficult to understand). I'm sure they find it hard but most just deal with it. All people in the UK seem to do is complain btw (whinging Poms - whoever coined that knew what they were talking about).

@Mandalay246

Whereas those who would like to visit home find it harder.

I was talking about the huge number of people from overseas who live in this part of the world and can't visit home when I said I've heard very few complain (I wouldn't have thought that difficult to understand). I'm sure they find it hard but most just deal with it. All people in the UK seem to do is complain btw (whinging Poms - whoever coined that knew what they were talking about).

Yeh you’re great, we’ve heard all about it.

Honestly don’t you have a free and easy life to enjoy rather than reading posts from ‘whinging from poms’ can’t be that interesting for you.

People overestimate the difference between people rather than situations.

@Mandalay246

Whereas those who would like to visit home find it harder.

I was talking about the huge number of people from overseas who live in this part of the world and can't visit home when I said I've heard very few complain (I wouldn't have thought that difficult to understand). I'm sure they find it hard but most just deal with it. All people in the UK seem to do is complain btw (whinging Poms - whoever coined that knew what they were talking about).

Two. Very different situations

• my parents used to live overseas when I moved out and went to Uni. The deal was that I would see them once a year. I felt this was amazing as we used to go back to Europe once every 3 years. The pandemic just wouldn’t have changed any of that. So it wouldn’t have been an issue (nor is it an issue for my relatives still there).

• my parents retired and are now in France. The deal was. That we would see each other several times a year (that’s also why they came back to. Europe). So the pandemic is now affecting us MORE because it’s changing expectations on what you can do.

I and my parents are upset about the lack of contact now.

So same people but different reaction because the situations are different.
The pandemic hasn’t transformed any of us in ‘whinging pom’ (plus we aren’t British so you can’t even blame that lol)

YABU
Keeping people safe when so many have died is important
Travel right now is not a sure thing or a right down to that
It's not essential
They always said the traffic lights would be assessed every 3 weeks
If you book something, book it with the Covid booking promise

Also, gleefully being happy that you've got a poster kicked from the site is totally out of order
You can't expect everyone to agree with you

Yes it's shit, it's shit for people in different ways
You can moan all you like but it's a Pandemic that has killed and continues to. How would you feel if your parents came, didn't quarantine, and because someone not following rules they got ill?

@BingBangBong1 She didn’t just disagree, she was bullying in her responses and many messages me and reported her also. Mn also agreed. There’s a difference between disagreeing and being rude and offensive, isn’t there?

*Many people messaged me.

@BingBangBong1 And I won’t be engaging further with people like you who dismiss mine and many others legitimate and upsetting situations as merely ‘Moaning’
This pandemic has affected everyone in different ways and I have sympathy for so many people in so many different ways, that’s what being human and having a heart is, you see.
To dismiss my story/issue as moaning is very unkind and shows you have no empathy for different situations in life.

@BingBangBong1 My parents would never ‘Not quarantine’ so why suggest they wouldn’t? They are both vaccinated fully, willing to pay for the tests, would quarantine and take this all very seriously indeed, they just want to see us and their granddaughter and this can be done safely. If you don’t understand that, I can’t engage further with you.
Have a good day 👍

It is absolutely shocking how little empathy and basic human kindness some posters are displaying on here.

@TheKeatingFive I know! I was actually so upset about it yesterday, really upset. I wrote a post reaching out, the majority of responses were so kind and understanding, which I’m so grateful for. Some were just almost deliberately mean and almost gleeful in their responses, very odd. I’m thinking
they’re doing it deliberately for attention or scarily to just simply be unkind.
It’s one this fo disagree, which is fine but some posters are just nasty, thankfully we’re not them, I feel sorry for them.

*One thing to disagree

@Justinversusmrtumble there is a nice thread for people who have got family living abroad or some mn who have family in the uk and they live abroad, we all have the same feelings as you currently have, you're more than welcome there to join us, we're all in this together, even if some people feel that their feelings trump ours
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4249925-Support-thread-for-those-with-family-abroad?msgid=107894217

@EasterIssland Thank you so much, I will join xx

[quote Justinversusmrtumble]@BingBangBong1 And I won’t be engaging further with people like you who dismiss mine and many others legitimate and upsetting situations as merely ‘Moaning’
This pandemic has affected everyone in different ways and I have sympathy for so many people in so many different ways, that’s what being human and having a heart is, you see.
To dismiss my story/issue as moaning is very unkind and shows you have no empathy for different situations in life.[/quote]
I said people moaning

And if you can't reasonable debate with people who disagree, that says more about you than me of anyone else
I find it quite distressing that MN have allowed you to bully others off site. The nature of this area of MN is for more lively debate. There have been others far more forthright than the poster you had removed, will you be complaining until hQ chuck off anyone in here that doesn't immediately say, your family is the most important and no one else matters, and having HQ remove everyone who doesn't agree?

I feel sorry for you I really do. And not because you can't see why the government is, for the first time during this sorry show, doing as they should.

I think posters like that have lost all sense of risk assessment, presumably not leaving the house for fear of anything happening and are hyped up by the internet and entertained by bringing people down. I agree, it’s sad for them and when the virus is a distant memory they’ll still be very damaged.

[quote Justinversusmrtumble]@TheKeatingFive I know! I was actually so upset about it yesterday, really upset. I wrote a post reaching out, the majority of responses were so kind and understanding, which I’m so grateful for. Some were just almost deliberately mean and almost gleeful in their responses, very odd. I’m thinking
they’re doing it deliberately for attention or scarily to just simply be unkind.
It’s one this fo disagree, which is fine but some posters are just nasty, thankfully we’re not them, I feel sorry for them.[/quote]
Actually, I think people were baffled because this has been an ongoing situation for well over a year now. We can't move around with as much freedom as before. And I see no reason why anyone would fail to grasp why.
I've lost people to this. Close people. Who I never got to go to the funeral of. But I got why. Because everyone moving around, or not staying home, or flouting rules, could feasibly mean more deaths. More long illness. More pressure on the NHS.

I bet most who belittle those like me who find posts like yours staggering went and clapped the NHS. Yet you don't fathom why these rules are brought out.
It's ever evolving- the newest variant (Nepal) sounds pretty bad, and may evade vaccines. So yes, things will change again.

I think it's an emotive thing, between those who like me wish we could go back to normal but who also know that may take time.

What's the alternative? A free for all like last summer where we cause an even bigger wave like last Christmas/January?

It will take 1 protein change on a variant and the vaccines may be useless. It's something we will have to prepare for and get used to sudden changes.

I don't think I've said it in a nasty way but clearly you just wish to dismiss (literally from the site) anyone who doesn't immediately say YABU

@QuentininQuarantino

I think posters like that have lost all sense of risk assessment, presumably not leaving the house for fear of anything happening and are hyped up by the internet and entertained by bringing people down. I agree, it’s sad for them and when the virus is a distant memory they’ll still be very damaged.

That's some assumption there!

I want my life back and my teens too. But safely.
Maybe look into what happens if the protein part of the variant changes
They've already said Pfizer may not work as well on the Delta variant

Vaccines are not foolproof. Neither is medicine in general. There is an expectation it is but we can't rely 100% on it.

[quote Justinversusmrtumble]@BingBangBong1 🤣🤣I’m guessing you’re the poster from yesterday but with a name change.
I’ve never bullied anyone in my life and as I’ve stated, it wasn’t merely disagreeing, it was offensive, personal and constant. I’ve never reported anyone on here and never felt the need to.
This wasn’t ‘Lively debate’ that I enjoy, this was mean spirited and unkind and made me feel completely shit all day, about a situation I already felt very low about. Mn also agreed as did many other posters who messaged me in support and complained themselves, in fact, they actively encouraged me to report.
It made me feel very uneasy, which lively debate and discussion doesn’t. I welcome differing viewpoints, I don’t welcome nastiness for the sheer sake of it.
I don’t intend to feel the same way again today.
If you think I’m selfish and outrageous for wanting to see my ageing parents, that’s fine. Move on from the post.
Enjoy your day.[/quote]
Nope I'm not.
But you believe what you wish. I put my view politely. You decided not to.

That's fine.

@QuentininQuarantino 100%

Anyone who dismisses someone’s pain in not seeing their parents for a significant period of time and having that snatched from them at the last minute as ‘moaning’ is certainly not behaving politely.

They are both deluded and lacking any empathy for people with different challenges to them.

QuentininQuarantino has nailed it and the posters subsequent posts only confirms how correct that assessment is.

OP, you have every right to your feelings, no matter how unkind posters try to deny you. They’re being extremely unfair.

@BingBangBong1

Putting your view politely is by saying that people are ‘Moaning’ when expressing real upset about not seeing family members for a very long time? We have a different idea of politeness and manners.

I’m genuinely very sorry for your losses, I really am, this whole thing has been awful for everyone in so many ways. I really hope the vaccines will work and we can get back to some sort of normal, where we can a be healthy and with loved ones again. I really feel for the teenagers too, I worry about my daughters future and can see how worrying it must be for your teenagers, they should be able to be out living their lives,
I hope this can end soon, for all of us.