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Maggie Thatcher, the iron lady

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Stressedout65 · 01/06/2021 21:36

Not an aibu know, but just watched Mrs Thatcher v The Miners on C5 from last night. I remember the strike vividly but felt far removed from it as we weren't part of a mining community.
For those who can remember her, good or bad for Britain? Admire her or hate her? I can't decide. Part of me thinks she was a complete & utter bitch, another part of me thinks she had more balls than all the wet blankets currently running the country now or since

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Bagamoyo1 · 01/06/2021 22:58

She was evil.
She created a culture in which greed was good, and “looking after number one” was the way to be. I think she’d had a compassion bypass.

cliftonbear · 01/06/2021 22:58

the OG girlboss (derogatory)

Erinrose82 · 01/06/2021 22:58

@peanut919
Well put and agree

Theunamedcat · 01/06/2021 23:01

She hand balls and conviction more than other politicians

Shame she crucified us

Zzelda · 01/06/2021 23:02

She was a hundred times brighter than the present incumbent. I loathed most of what she did at the time, but looking back she seems positively liberal in some respects - for instance, at least we had an adequate legal aid system.

Clawdy · 01/06/2021 23:03

I remember the Steve Bell cartoon in the Guardian, after her death, showing her being lowered into Hell, saying "Why is this pit still open?" Said it all, really!

BashfulClam · 01/06/2021 23:05

I’m a Scot and what I have to say about that vile waste of human skin is not printable!

EishetChayil · 01/06/2021 23:05

She ruined this country.

BashfulClam · 01/06/2021 23:06

@Clawdy I like what Frankie Boyjevsaud ‘don’t bother with a state funeral, give the Scots shovels and we’ll dig so deep we can hand her over to Satan personally!’

Tealightsandd · 01/06/2021 23:09

I think she's a convenient person to focus on as the 'ultimate baddie' by people who actually don't disagree with a lot of her policies (but want to be seen as righteous).
People don't like a strong woman.

I'm definitely in the minority, for example, in wanting the mines reopened. Labour certainly didn't want to - but in the 80s said they didn't want them to close (so letting her take the blame and hate for a policy they secretly supported).

They definitely didn't suggest any alternative employment opportunities, just took away or drastically cut people's benefits when they came to power. She did their dirty work when it comes to the mines.

I despise her government for Right To Buy -Right to make future generations homeless but when Blair got in, it wasn't too late to stop it and reverse a lot of the damage. He didn't, and that was arguably worse because the suffering it was causing was happening right before his eyes.

StoneofDestiny · 01/06/2021 23:10

The shame she brought on this country by supporting Apartheid should never be forgotten.
She lies where Pinochet lies.

Tealightsandd · 01/06/2021 23:13

irreparably damaged the housing situation in the UK with 'right to buy

She was responsible for introducing it. But not the irreparable damage. When Blair got in, it wasn't too late to end the policy and repair the damage. He not only didn't do that but he made things a million times worse.

Tealightsandd · 01/06/2021 23:15

@StoneofDestiny

The shame she brought on this country by supporting Apartheid should never be forgotten. She lies where Pinochet lies.
She actually didn't support it. She believed (quite successfully as it turned out) that diplomacy was the way to end it. Carrot rather than stick.
Jonnywishbone · 01/06/2021 23:16

This country was on its arse in 1979. We had just been bailed out by the IMF, the dead were going unburied because of strikes by undertakers, we had regular power cuts, it took 3 months to wait for a phone line. The unions were running the country and inflation was rampant. Rolls Royce was a stated owned company and the government owned chains of pubs in Carlisle and laundries in the Midlands. It was utterly mad.

Yes Thatcher was divisive, but it needed someone to grab the country by the balls and sort it out.

Arbadacarba · 01/06/2021 23:16

@Tealightsandd

irreparably damaged the housing situation in the UK with 'right to buy

She was responsible for introducing it. But not the irreparable damage. When Blair got in, it wasn't too late to end the policy and repair the damage. He not only didn't do that but he made things a million times worse.

I'm no fan of Blair either. A Tory in all but name.
Tealightsandd · 01/06/2021 23:17

I'm not a Thatcherite (unlike Blair) btw.

Jonnywishbone · 01/06/2021 23:17

We would have ended up like Venezuela.

queenofthenorthwest · 01/06/2021 23:19

@Pet8 this sums it up for me.

Tealightsandd · 01/06/2021 23:21

Like I say, I'm not a Thatcherite. But without a doubt the country has been even more damaged by Tony Blair (and George Osborne's economically illiterate austerity that caused needless misery and left us in more debt).

everybodysang · 01/06/2021 23:21

She's a fascinating woman. But I absolutely loathe her and everything she stood for.

Pixxie7 · 01/06/2021 23:21

I blame her for the problems with social housing still going on today. As with all Tory governments the rich get rich the poor get poorer.

SemperIdem · 01/06/2021 23:24

She took the heat off Ted Heath as intended and only carried on what he started, the closing the mines. She was no feminist, didn’t give a flying fuck about women. I don’t like her policies but they weren’t born out of thin air. Her strength of character is something I do admire, as much as I dislike what she did when PM.

She is not worse than any similar male PM, much like Teresa May was not. Look up the glass cliff theory.

DoItLater · 01/06/2021 23:24

I left school at the beginning of the 1970s. There were women's jobs and men's jobs and jobs for the working class and jobs for the middle class. It was considered shocking to suggest stepping out of the expected role. The world of men's work was considered real work and was dominated by the unions, whose leaders were elected by a minority, the union members, normally by a public show of hands. Unions were very strong even though the majority were outside them.

I was a nurse as I was expected to be. There was a lot of job demarkation. We used to do dressings at the patient's bed and the curtains around closed so we needed the overhead light. If the bulb had gone it could only be changed by the electrician and he would only come when the shop steward said he could which mightn't be for weeks so the nurses each had their own light bulbs which they would quietly change behind the curtains when they did the dressing, then change the bulbs back. I remember keeping the drugs like insulin in the kitchen fridge which was opened and shut all day so never very cold because the drug fridge stopped working and no electrician would look at it for weeks. We were supposed to call porters to help lift heavier patients but they would only come at certain times so we had the choice of a desperate patient reduced to wetting or soiling the bed or trying to lift them ourselves. Like me most of us injured our backs. The same with the kitchen staff who often refused to provide food for the patients outside the normal times and would report any nurse who sneeked in to make a cup of tea or slice of toast. The nurse would have to make an official apology. The shop steward where I worked hated the nurses, he thought we were middle class snobs and proudly claimed he would try to make our lives difficult. If we complained he would threaten to call the men out on strike.

I knew someone who worked at a big car manufacturer. The night shift were allowed to bring camp beds in so that they could lie down most of the shift because it was night time. If management complained a strike was threatened.

So for many people Thatcher was a heroine because she broke the stranglehold that the unions had over everyone even the majority who weren't in unions. 29 million working days were lost to strikes in 1979 compared to 322,000 in 2016.

Years later I had a job where I met a lot of ex-miners. They were bitter about Thatcher destroying their jobs but when asked about their sons going down the mine they would say that they and their wives worked flat out so that their children didn't have to do such an awful job that destroyed their health. I wonder how many privately voted for Thatcher to help avoid their sons going down a mine.

School milk was originally provided for all ages. It was the Labour minister Edward Short who stopped it for secondary school age children. Thatcher stopped it for over 7s and when we joined the EEC KS1 were offered subidised milk under the European scheme. That was still running a few years ago but I don't know what happened with Brexit.

Council houses were not always fairly allocated. There was a great deal of stringpulling went on and often the ones who needed them most had no chance of getting one as they didn't know the right people. As anyone who got one could pass it down through their family they didn't become available even if they were in public ownership. At least cost of maintenance didn't fall on the ratepayer when they were sold. It was awful that the capital released didn't go into building more though.

I know this goes against the usual theme of Thatcher being a dreadful woman, but while many people were very comfortable under the British system of the 1960s and early 70s, a lot were struggling and found it hard to improve their situation and were ready to vote for someone who got it sorted out.

Blossomtoes · 01/06/2021 23:25

She destroyed British industry and working class communities, sold off social housing at a massive discount and privatised everything she could lay her hands on. The contracting out in the public sector was economic madness.

The ripples from the damage she did are still with us. She was a vile piece of work.

shakingstevensfan · 01/06/2021 23:25

She was a very competent politician, unlike our present Prime Minister. I hated lots of her policies. She thought everyone could be a successful businessperson. She did not understand.

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