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To think it’s hard for women to organise stuff

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Malteser71 · 27/05/2021 07:20

Background to my musings - I’m a pretty organised person, take the initiative, imagine stuff we could do with friends etc.

Husband has a two main groups of male friends who go away together - one weekend abroad per year, trips to sporting events etc. He’s never the one to organise them, so in that respect he gets an easy life, pays what he owes and turns up.

On the other hand, I have several smaller groups of female friends and it seems virtually impossible to do anything because of their various caring or other responsibilities.

As an example, one group of friends - the last two times I tried to organise something, the same one couldnt commit to a date because she was waiting to see (to be told) what her adult daughter was doing that weekend. She lives a couple of hours away, there was talk of her coming home, plans for us to go to Glasgow stalled after I’d done all the research. In the event, daughter didn’t come home and we didn’t go to Glasgow, then friend complained she had been bored all weekend.

I’ve no idea why she couldn’t have said she was unavailable that weekend and they could have arranged another. Adult daughter has no caring responsibilities.

Same friend, arranged to go out for afternoon tea (three of us) but again stalled because adult daughter then came to stay with her for three weeks during this period and she felt she should spend time with her instead. Then invited her to join us, then ditched us the day before and went out alone with daughter because she felt it wouldn’t be quality mum and daughter time for them together if friends present (so I had booked the table and they ended up using it!).

Just feeling guilty about not spending 1:1 time with her that afternoon, despite her staying in the house for three weeks, just the two of them.

Conversation with her recently - adult daughter thinking of moving closer to home. Wants to have kids. My friend can’t wait because she can then be on hand to help (understandable) but I just KNOW she will never, ever be available once there is a grandchild that ‘might’ need looking after so parents can go out.

Other friends - unable to commit to weekends away due to husbands unpredictable working patterns, despite their husbands being free to go away with friends because wives working patterns entirely predictable and therefore reliable childcare.

Another who can’t commit to anything due to adult daughter wanting to move house and needing help but not having a date in mind.

My two best school friends - both have taken jobs in schools in their late forties, now totally unavailable unless schools are closed, at which point they can’t do anything because they have children off school.

Other Friends invited to spend weekend at our holiday let, one can’t commit due to daughters gymnastics classes/competitions that clash with need to get other child to swimming lessons. Dad quite capable of taking one child, why doesn’t one child have a week off to enable mum to go away?

I’m honestly not somebody people are trying to avoid!

It’s always the same thing too, ‘you go ahead and book, I’ll join you if I can,’ when actually the dynamic of two friends going away rather than three is really different, so it’s not really the same.

And by the time they know whether they can come (based on others not needing them), the accommodation you were looking at has gone. This also happened when I invited friends to stay in our holiday let, by the time both committed, it had been let out that weekend.

I keep wondering, why is it that my husband and his male friends just think ‘shall we go away?’ And proceed to just, you know, book it.

I have two children, I have NO childcare apart from my husband. I have two jobs. I would love some quality time away, it just seems impossible to arrange this with female friends due to them being constantly needed, constantly at somebody else’s beck and call, never putting themselves first.

I think I ought to get some male mates? Or just give up completely? It’s a bit soul destroying and I really have got to the point of giving up.

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Myglassishalfempty · 27/05/2021 07:35

I agree it is rare we get a break. My husband does pull his weight but there is so much going on all the time with kids and working full time it's near impossible to get a date to go for an afternoon tea with a friend. I've been trying to do that with an equally busy friend for the last 18 months (covid didn't help obviously) but the weekends are filled up with kids activities and family time and we work all week and shattered every evening so it just feels impossible.

Malteser71 · 27/05/2021 07:45

Don’t you think we should all take a step back and take time out just occasionally?

I have a very old friend who lives 200 miles away. We realised we hadn’t seen each other in ten years because we’d had busy lives with the children.

We never would have wanted that to happen. It just crept up.

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Fitforforty · 27/05/2021 07:50

Your upset that a friend can’t see you during working hours. Do you work?

Your upset that people have actually children (oppose to adult children) to look after? Do you have young children and are you and partner responsible for all their care? Or do/did you have grandparents around offering childcare?

Myglassishalfempty · 27/05/2021 07:52

Yes I do think we should take time for ourselves to avoid burning out definitely. Making that time is the bit I'm rubbish at and feel guilty about

Malteser71 · 27/05/2021 07:52

Did you not read my post?

I have two jobs

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DrManhattan · 27/05/2021 07:54

Maybe they don't want to go . . .

Malteser71 · 27/05/2021 07:57

Well they do all seem to want to. And reminisce about times we have gone away before life got so busy.

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partyatthepalace · 27/05/2021 08:00

Hmmm no I have never really had this

We just book weekends and go away, it does take a bit of organising around jobs and kids but nothing epic. Occasionally someone can’t make it, or sometimes has a patch of not making it, but doesn’t stop it as a whole.

My friends are 3/4 female

But yes I think you could do with some new mates who like a bit of variety in life - yours sound like they get very caught up in the humdrum?

partyatthepalace · 27/05/2021 08:00

Three quarters female that should read

WimpoleHat · 27/05/2021 08:00

Some people are flaky. Some people don’t like making arrangements in advance as they don’t want to be tied to something. Some people aren’t forthright enough to say “I don’t fancy doing that very much/spending that much money on that” and obfuscate as an excuse.

Myglassishalfempty · 27/05/2021 08:04

I do find it easier to see people close to me for short periods of time like I will go for a walk every week with one of the school mums in the evening as we live close and its convenient. We are good friends now. I think if you've got people like that around that you can fit in with each other its convenient. Meeting up with people that you need a longer big catch up with is much harder to do

TeenMinusTests · 27/05/2021 08:04

I think some/many women feel guilty carving out time for themselves and saying they are going to put their 'wants' first. I know I do. I even feel guilty making my DD go out with DH weekly while I have a counselling call.

Malteser71 · 27/05/2021 08:05

Obfuscate. Great word!

I think also I tend to have small groups of friends - several groups where there are three of us. It only takes one person who can’t commit and then the whole thing won’t work.

What I need is a large group of dynamic friends who will also sometimes do the organising!

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BinocularVision · 27/05/2021 08:06

I don’t see this in my real life at all. I think your friends have useless husbands and/or are martyrs who view their plans as coming at the back of the queue. Or are simply the type of people who don’t like committing to plans and use child, work or husband-related excuses to make it impossible. The only friend I can think of who either doesn’t commit to a plan or flakes inconveniently close to the time is male, with a wife who does everything for their children, and I’ve realised over time that he’s fundamentally just a homebird, and doesn’t want to get off the sofa. ‘I can’t because of X’ is just an excuse. Even, weirdly, when the plan is something he’s enthusiastic about.

Malteser71 · 27/05/2021 08:06

I guess the reason I posted us because this does seem much easier for my husband.

Partly because my work patterns are predictable. If I’m invited to anything, I have to check his work schedule first, it’s not the same in reverse.

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Fitforforty · 27/05/2021 08:12

@Malteser71

Did you not read my post?

I have two jobs

Ones that you can take holiday from at anytime?

What about grandparents to help out? From what I see parents who have grandparents who can help out have a much easier life.

HalzTangz · 27/05/2021 08:16

So basically in a nutshell you think your friends should drop family commitments to meet you

My daughter is now and adult and we don't get to send much time together, so when she visits my time will be reserved for her

I enjoy time with friends but sorry family will always come first

OverByYer · 27/05/2021 08:20

I think it’s your friends
I have 3 friends who I regularly go away with.
2 work in schools we all have children and now elderly parents to work around but we still manage to have weekends away.
It’s just priorities I guess?

TheoMeo · 27/05/2021 08:21

Yes, DH has a local group who go out occasionally - pub to watch footie or something. Wives don't do anything.
I would be wary about days away in case it didn't go too well. If you see someone seldom it can be awkward.
I think it might be something to do with some women's friendships being more close, so you are with a woman friend and you talk about your dying relative, suspicion of DH's affair whatever..... men talk about new car/bike/tools/footie.
I now think this is partly it with the school gates problem. Women want to talk about things that matter to them, men about stuff (not people related) and you can't do that in a random mix.

I would arrange lunch that might be better.

Malteser71 · 27/05/2021 08:25

No grandparents to help out. As my post says, no childcare.

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godmum56 · 27/05/2021 08:27

all I will say is that both men and women can usually find the time for things they REALLY want to do....and many many people find it hard to say "no I don't want to do that" and easier to say "no I can't do that" and even easier to say vague stuff like "book and I will join you if I can" If they never turn up, then maybe they don't want to?

Malteser71 · 27/05/2021 08:28

I don’t think my post says anything about mr thinking my friends ought to prioritise me over their family.

It’s actually a post about how women’s lives seem laden with guilt/obligation towards others at all times. Which doesn’t seem to affect men in the same way.

I don’t really know how you made the leap into thinking I feel I ought to be their priority.

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TwoAndAnOnion · 27/05/2021 08:33

These are choices your friends made - ultimately they place precedence on the family over friends. Whether you think that is right or wrong, is of no consequence to them.

Don't give people choice when organising, present them with a fait accomplis. ""We/I are going to X on Y weekend, are you joining us, if so, deposit by [date]"" much simpler than faffing with indecisive people. Once you've done this several times people will either realise things go on without them or make arrangments to join in.

OccaChocca · 27/05/2021 08:38

You are friends with women who prioritise their family over everything else.

I wouldn't have the patience for the one with the adult daughter. She sounds like a pain in the arse.

Xiaoxiong · 27/05/2021 08:38

I completely agree. I can't imagine a man saying he couldn't make plans without first checking if his adult kids might need him on some future weekend. I think women allow their time to be taken up, and some expect other women to step in and take their time for granted.

There was a thread on here the other day where a woman was about to retire, and her colleague - not even family - fully expected her to step in as a babysitter to her grandchild once she retired. As in, the colleague's grandchild! Not even her own!