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Angry MIL - Time difference

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tellmetellmepleasetellme · 24/05/2021 15:16

Name changed for this. We live in a country which is 6 hours ahead of DH’s home country. Last week it was MIL’s birthday. Both she and FIL had been suffering from Covid and we had been in daily contact through a family Whatsapp group and FaceTime to check in on them.

Not thinking we both sent a message into the family chat when we got to the office (which was about 3 am their time) to wish her a HBD and a few pictures of the kids. She messaged back to say she was sleeping and not to send any more messages. We both stopped and agreed when it was their morning we would send a message and apologise.

Then came message after message, a tirade of abuse from her about how selfish we are as people and we don’t care about her and had planned this to deliberately ruin her birthday, knowing full well she was ill. Multiple messages which escalated to accusations of how we are takers and have never given anything to the PILs or DH’s siblings (not true). She was clearly awake by this time so we both sent a message to say we were truly sorry and we were not thinking about the time difference. More abuse followed in numerous messages, each one more personal, sweary and hate filled.

Later in the day we got one more message to tell us what terrible people we were and that she was angry we had asked her what she had wanted for her bday when we spoke weeks earlier and she asked if it was to taunt her as we never send anything (which we had but it obviously just didn’t arrive in time).

We did not respond at all other than the one message each to apologise . It felt like she was trying to inflate our crime to fit her punishment in front of her audience (FIL and DH’s siblings). That evening we sent her a video of the kids wishing her a HBD.

A few days past and the package with her present arrived (we sent by post from our country of residence 2 weeks prior) and we got a message from her to say she was still ill but starting to feel better and thank you for the presents and it was as if none of this episode had taken place. DH just replied to say glad to hear you are starting to feel better. This was 4-5 days ago now.

We are fully aware we were wrong to send the messages at a time when they could have disturbed her. I felt so bad initially that I may have done this without thinking regularly and it was a build up of anger (given the intensity of her rage) so I looked back through the family chat and most of our messages going to them had been during their day time. MIL and the siblings’ messages on other hand had been regularly in the middle of our night time 11 pm -5 am, but we put our phones on silent mode so do not get woken up or we just ignore it if we hear the phone.

For full disclosure she has form for this. The whole family walk on eggshells to avoid setting her off. It’s the most awful family dynamics when we visit. At least every second visit she would find a reason to be upset with us and she would tell us to leave her home (24 hours trip door to door, to get there, 2 kids in tow) and then cry and wail when we start to pack about us taking the kids away from her. Then the others all beg us not to go. It’s becoming a ritual. I really cannot put in one OP how much of this same old tired act she has pulled over the last 2 decades.

We are hurt and angry at how vicious and personal she got. I can understand she was ill and needed to rest. It was a genuine mistake and we had apologised unreservedly. AIBU to not be able to move on until, for just this one time, she apologises? Just even an ounce of acknowledgment of how terrible her behaviour was in this instance (let alone all the other times). DH and I are unified in our approach towards the situation right now but I know from bitter experience how far her pattern of behaviours is ingrained into her children. Sooner or later they all go back to her hostage style for more of the same cycle of abuse.

I’m just really struggling to let it go and I don’t want to pretend nothing happened and that we are one happy family to keep the peace and enable her disgusting behaviour. I do feel bad as the kids are young and there is no way for them to have contact unless it's through one of us. So by going no contact we are also in effect withholding contact between PILs and our kids. Any advice?

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tellmetellmepleasetellme · 24/05/2021 15:20

Sorry, didn't realise how long that was until after I posted!

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ConfusedAdultFemale · 24/05/2021 15:20

Letting it all go and pretending nothing happened? Fuck that, it’d be a message with a few home truths then blocking her if it were me. That’s emotional abuse through and through, I’d never have DC around people like that.

TwoAndAnOnion · 24/05/2021 15:21

I personally would disengage, totally.

His parents, he deals with them.

End of - I mean, who wants more of these shenanigans?

For full disclosure she has form for this. The whole family walk on eggshells to avoid setting her off. It’s the most awful family dynamics when we visit. At least every second visit she would find a reason to be upset with us and she would tell us to leave her home (24 hours trip door to door, to get there, 2 kids in tow) and then cry and wail when we start to pack about us taking the kids away from her. Then the others all beg us not to go. It’s becoming a ritual. I really cannot put in one OP how much of this same old tired act she has pulled over the last 2 decades.

AnneLovesGilbert · 24/05/2021 15:22

Read Toxic Inlaws. Pull back from all the messaging. Don’t stay there again. If you want to see them stay in a hotel and just do daytime meet ups.

The whole thing sounds fucking awful. So unhealthy and dysfunctional.

And as to the original point, it’s up to her to put her phone on silent. Last year two of my siblings were in different countries and time zones and messages arrive on the family chat at all ours. So we turn our phones off when we go to bed. It’s outrageous to berate you for wishing her a happy birthday.

Fitforforty · 24/05/2021 15:22

I disagree that you sent it at the wrong time. She should just mute WhatsApp or put her phone on silent when she goes to bed.

I would be talking to DH and telling MIL that you want an apology for her behaviour. Next time a visit is suggested I would say to MIL and DH that if she pulls that kind of shit again then you and the kids wouldn’t be staying with her again. You need to show your children that it’s not acceptable for people to treat you this way.

LagunaBubbles · 24/05/2021 15:23

You can't just pretend nothing happened, what an awful way to behave and treat people!

Blankspace101 · 24/05/2021 15:24

I’d send her a message to tell her to fuck off and leave it at that. You and your DC will be much better off without that abuse impacting your life.

PragmaticWench · 24/05/2021 15:25

Whatever you do, or don't do, make sure that you and DH have discussed it first and agreed. If you absolutely can't agree, make sure you understand and respect each other's stance.

You don't have to tolerate this, your MIL is not a child and is choosing to act like this.

Doilooklikeatourist · 24/05/2021 15:26

Stay in a hotel or rent a cottage next time you visit
Personally, I’d leave the chat group and let DH deal with her unless she apologises for her behaviour ( she won’t )

AnxiousFTMFriendlyAdvicePlease · 24/05/2021 15:29

The cycle must stop and the children should not be exposed to this toxic behaviour anymore. Plus you and your DH do not deserve to be treated like this any longer. I suggest writing her a letter explaining everything and try going NC. I can’t see her ever changing though sadly.

pointythings · 24/05/2021 15:29

She's an adult and presumably knows how her phone works - if she didn't want to be disturbed, she should put it on silent. My phone is off overnight unless I know something is up and I'm likely to be needed, in which case I leave it on and sound on. My friends and family know this is how I work. She could do the same so easily.

Don't stay with her again and disengage from her bullshit.

Notaroadrunner · 24/05/2021 15:31

If I were you I'd delete myself from the family group chat and I wouldn't ever initiate a text conversation with her again. If she texts you asking something give one word replies or direct it to your Dh. You do not have to put up with abuse from anyone. Disengage and let your Dh decide for himself what he wants to do. And as for visiting them, Dh can do that but I wouldn't be setting foot in her house again to be subjected to her disgusting treatment of you all. You are not obliged to have a relationship with her at all. You married your Dh, not his family!

Castlepeak · 24/05/2021 15:33

Rational people use the do not disturb feature on their phones. It doesn’t even have to be manually set every night. It can be programmed to turn on automatically. That way they don’t get woken by texts, emails, or spam calls that arrive at odd hours.

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 24/05/2021 15:47

Wow.
As above you and DH need to have a united front on it and you should (if I were you) disengage entirely).

If it were me, in all honesty, I would text;

" you have been emotionally abusive and deeply unpleasant. If you want to remain in contact with us then we expect a sincere apology and for this to not happen again."

Zzelda · 24/05/2021 15:50

Did you point out the facts in relation to her accusation that you don't give her things?

Next time she manufactures a reason to chuck you out when you visit, just get up and go immediately before she has a chance to start wailing. Ideally, don't take the children with you, they don't need to see that sort of behaviour.

MadCattery · 24/05/2021 16:01

I don’t think six hours is far enough

StopPokingTheRoyalTitDear · 24/05/2021 16:09

As others have said, disengage, don’t stay with them again, don’t expose your children to this awful, toxic family (who enable her this foul woman).

Having said that, I’d be very fucking tempted to send a message to her telling her a few home truths before blocking her. Nasty boot. Then I’d disengage.

tellmetellmepleasetellme · 24/05/2021 16:11

Thank you for the replies. I did think that putting your phone on silent or turning it off was the normal thing to do, but I am giving her the benefit of being old and not good with devices and accept this as my wrongdoing in how I process the overall situation and even so she went too far.

I take on board the point of being on the same page as DH. Right now it's raw and he is angry with her so we are very much together in thinking we're not going to give in, call first, etc. But I see how damaged he is by a lifetime of this and he literally looked to me like a small child immediately after it happened. She has this grip, this hold over all of them.

I guess my real concern is over time if (really it's when) DH starts to forget and yearn for a visit to his home country and see his family again, I am worried about the guilt and pressure on me to just play along, whether self inflicted or implied by DH and his family. I know it will be argued that if we stay with them we will be able to be there longer, able to do more things. We live in my country of origin so I have some guilt

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katy1213 · 24/05/2021 16:11

That would be the last time she'd be hearing from me. No photos, no visits, no grandchildren. If your husband is prepared to deal with her with zero input from you, that's up to him.

tellmetellmepleasetellme · 24/05/2021 16:14

Whoops pressed replied too soon by mistake. But there is a disparity when in an international marriage and living in one spouse's home country.

Maybe I need to wait and see how it plays out. Covid situation is helping right now with difficulty in travelling removing any needs to make plans. But I really appreciate the advice to keep talking openly and honestly with DH and at least to be respectful of each other's boundaries if we are not in agreement. Thank you.

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DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 24/05/2021 16:17

The messages are awful, but in reality are just words and should be dealt with.
Regularly throwing you out of her home when you travel so far to visit is awful abusive and forcing the rest of the family to beg you to stay is also abusing them.
You need to talk to your DH and decide how much more you are willing to put up with. You say you want your children to have a relationship with PILs but do you really want them exposed to anymore of this behaviour? It sounds like she needs professional therapy.

SnackSizeRaisin · 24/05/2021 16:18

Definitely not your fault about messages arriving at night. If it bothered her she could have politely requested you not to send them at night but really it's up to her to turn her phone off, completely ridiculous behaviour.
You shouldn't put up with any of it - tell her you want an apology otherwise will not be in contact again.

Sciurus83 · 24/05/2021 16:19

Why on EARTH would you allow yourselves to be abused this way and even consider letting it slide?

diddl · 24/05/2021 16:19

@katy1213

That would be the last time she'd be hearing from me. No photos, no visits, no grandchildren. If your husband is prepared to deal with her with zero input from you, that's up to him.
I think that that sums it up.

You wished her a HB, unfortunately at 3am, but it was on the day & he saw it.

What other message were you supposed to send?

Please protect your kids from her.

tellmetellmepleasetellme · 24/05/2021 16:22

@Zzelda
I've not communicated with her/them since. But even if we were it will be futile. It'll fall on deaf ears or she will dig up more dirt to justify her statement. I know she is embarrassed to receive the package after what she said but just would never have the grace to apologise.

I want to avoid contact. Any exchange is just more fuel for her anger once she is locked on the warpath.

I fear the current calm will not last as she will demand contact with the kids soon. Cue tears and guilt trips. It's draining to even think about it.

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