To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

[Bassarid]

Is it just me?

It's a really crappy thing to do to anyone when they're grieving. Indefensible IMO.

All the allowances the public made for him because his mother died and he can't give his own family a few months to grieve before blabbing on about how horrible they are. It's so wrong.

A bit off topic but does anyone know why her mum or her uncle didn't walk her down the aisle?

Well thanks for replying Rainy - just a few things in response:

I said recently I was no longer engaging in demands for proof

How convenient. But you don't need to offer proof, just say who these posters are that you have identified.

You know full well that if I was to post "I remember so-and-so posting in the now-deleted thread claiming X rumour about Meghan" there would be pages and pages absolutely howling about what a mean evil bully I am, how DARE I name and shame another poster

Ah, ok, DM me then. Ironically enough, this is starting to remind me of Harry and Meghan claiming someone they didn't feel able to name had made a racist remark about Archie.

accusations that by naming names I'm intentionally trying to derail the thread, accusations that I'm deliberately trying to get the thread deleted

Hmm well, yes, the only person I've seen suspected of trying to get this thread deleted is you, when you posted those horrible things about Meghan. So you don't seem to mind taking that risk.

I re-direct you back to my post about the "racial slur screencap" incident - not one person had the integrity to admit they'd been proven wrong.

I'm more interested in this thread, since I'm on it and you have made claims about people posting on it. So what about those claims? "People should be accountable for their words", isn't that what you said? And I believe another of your catchphrases is "yet more hypocrisy".
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absolutely none of you would turn around and go "gosh Rainy you're right! Thanks for posting the details I demanded you post!"*

I would - this is exactly what I want to know.

*You're just trying to goad me into giving you material you can use to attack me.
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No, I'm asking you to be accountable for the accusations you've made about other people posting on this thread. You seem pretty quick to complain about people accusing Meghan of stuff with no evidence, but you're doing exactly the same thing. Hold yourself to the same standards as you expect from everyone else.

So I do not blame rainy for not providing links the whole flippin' time.

I'm not asking (and I don't think I have ever asked Rainy) for links to back up theories about Harry and Meghan, I think it's very difficult to sift through that and find the truth, so much of the evidence is a bit irrelevant. But just for evidence to back up Rainey's claims against posters on this thread, of which I am one! Or at least to be clear who they are accusing.

After those posts Rousette and ohforarainyday I’m not going to ask that you post proof, as obviously you won’t. So, having gone and done considerable research into this, I’m going to come straight out and say I don’t believe your assertions that any of Meghan’s maternal uncles attended her wedding.

Her extended family on both sides were all written about before the wedding, and one of Doria’s two half-brothers (Joseph Johnson Jr) advised the press directly that he hadn’t been invited. Her other half brother, Joffrey Ragland, said nothing, but a Google image search reveals absolutely no photos of him at the wedding. Nor are there any articles I can find from any publication saying he was there. On the contrary, there were plenty of publications from the US and the UK who all confirmed that Doris Ragland was the only member of Meghan’s family to attend, and her half-sister Samantha Markle stated that no other family members on either side were invited.

I would also point out that the things you complain about go both ways. I’ve been treated with such rudeness on these threads when pretty much all I ever do is fact-check some of the claims made by posters (on both sides). I have also seen that oft-corrected stories are clung to no matter how often you make it clear they are rubbish (Kate denying having Botox being one in particular), and posters who are pro-Meghan completely ignore the facts when presented. This happened on this very thread when Rousette ridiculed a poster for saying Meghan kept all her Hollywood team on. I posted the evidence that supported this, and my post was ignored.

These threads always turn into a battleground, but the aggression and tactics you complain about are definitely seen on both sides.

Having just checked the guest list on Wiki, it would appear that one member of the bride’s family attended - her mother. There’s a shedload of coverage about her former diplomat uncle’s upset at not being invited.

I understood that Doria was the only relative of the bride to attend the wedding of 600 guests. There were four uncles I believe. Two from Thomas's side of the family and two from Doria's. I can find nothing to say any of them attended the wedding. If they did I wonder where they were sitting.

@Viviennemary

I understood that Doria was the only relative of the bride to attend the wedding of 600 guests. There were four uncles I believe. Two from Thomas's side of the family and two from Doria's. I can find nothing to say any of them attended the wedding. If they did I wonder where they were sitting.

I know. It's a mystery.

After those posts Rousette and ohforarainyday I’m not going to ask that you post proof, as obviously you won’t

I can assure you I always post proof, but it gets ignored so I just get fed up with it. Please don't make out I always ignore requests for proof.

I saw a photo, yes.

This happened on this very thread when Rousette ridiculed a poster for saying Meghan kept all her Hollywood team on

What evidence? I laughed at the assertion that Meghan got her Prince and wanted everyone to curtsey to her in the US. NOT anything to do with her Hollywood team. And I said so. AND I posted a heartfelt apology saying to the poster in question that I was very sorry that she felt I had ridiculued her. I meant it
She ignored my apology.
So just stop with your attacks on me.

You have to admit, it's a daft statement to state as facct that Meghan wants everyone to curtsey to her.
Surely I can call that out.

I have never been rude to you or launched personal insults at you.

Having just checked the guest list on Wiki, it would appear that one member of the bride’s family attended - her mother.

That Wikipedia page (which is user-edited, and cites Fox News and the Express as sources) only lists about 150 names. There were 600 guests in attendance. That means the identity of 450 guests are still totally unknown to us/the media.

I've posted the screencaps of Meghan's uncle at the wedding alongside photos from that uncle's Instagram before on these threads - it's very very very obvious it's the same man in both photos. The response was to attack me and call me a racist who thinks all black men look alike.

If posters are determined to claim that obviously Meghan invited some random anonymous black man who was never identified by the press who just coincidentally happens to look exactly like Meghan's uncle, that just shows how big an agenda they have to demonise Meghan for every tiny little thing.

Not sure how the claim that Wikipedia contains the complete list (hello does no one know how to do maths?) jibes with the other claim that clearly the man in the wedding footage is just some random un-nnamed black man who just happens to look like her uncle.

If he's not her uncle then who is he, then? How come he's not on the Wikipedia list?

I'm sure there was an argument about the guest list on another thread. Someone posted it and someone else said it was only half the names or something. I lost the will to live, I think.

But @Roussette and/or @ohforarainyday, may I ask you a question? Harry & Meghan state on their Archewell site, "Our core purpose is to uplift and unite communities—local and global, online and offline—one act of compassion at a time." How do you think that the Oprah "interview" and Harry's recent comments about his family are in keeping with that avowed intent? Where was the compassion towards his sick grandfather, and his elderly grandmother? Does causing public embarrassment and hurt to his (elderly) father not count either?
I really and truly do not understand the disconnect here.

So by the sounds of it there was a photo that people with no personal knowledge of the matter assert was Meghan’s uncle based on his physical appearance. This however was never officially identified, nor the fact that he did attend identified and/or covered by all the international news sources who covered the day in vast detail, when the question of whether any of her family attended was a matter of intense media interest at the time. No-one since has come out and confirmed he attended either. It’s not exactly convincing proof. Also, if he was Doria’s brother, why wouldn’t he sit in the Quire with all the other family members, and so his sister wasn’t all by herself?

You’ve been very rude to me Rousette. Before you ask, it was on threads that were deleted, as I checked last time you denied it and demanded proof.

I've posted the screencaps of Meghan's uncle at the wedding alongside photos from that uncle's Instagram before on these threads

Can you remember when? Because I can’t find those posts or an Instagram account with any pictures.

If they did I wonder where they were sitting.
I know. It's a mystery.

They were sitting in the Nave.

St George's Chapel is comprised of two main areas, the Quire and the Nave.

The Quire contains seating for about 30 people, the Nave contains seating for approx 770. (The chapel was not at full capacity for the wedding.)

Only about 150 guests were ever named in the press; the guests who were seated in the Quire, plus a small percentage of those seated in the Nave (primarily royals, aristos, and public figures).

The vast majority of guests who were seated in the Nave have never been named in the press. Hence why 450 of the total 600 guests are still unknown to the press and public.

Meghan's uncle was seated in the Quire. Along with all the other 450 unnamed guests.

Not really a mystery.

@Serenster

Here is my apology to the poster in question. 'I really didn't mean to ridicule you, I'm sorry if you felt that. It was unintentional. I just found saying she took her Prince and wanted everyone to bow to her in the US a bit much.
Having been trolled in the most vile way, (even yesterday) I am careful and don't want to upset anyone, so I am sorry.

I was not talking about taking her staff with her which you referred to, and that was quite obvious from my post and my apology but don't let facts get in the way of making up stuff about me.

That's convenient... no proof of me 'being very rude to you'.

You said this to me at least a year ago if I remember correctly and I had no idea what you were talking about then and I dont now.

Let's not make it personal, I don't think who attended the wedding is that relevant. Slagging off granny, her dead husband and his dad, that's what is relevant.

I just don't understand why he can't see how cruel it is to do this right now, any suggestions?

I'm sure there was an argument about the guest list on another thread. Someone posted it and someone else said it was only half the names or something. I lost the will to live, I think.

Can you remember when?

It was literally only a few weeks ago.

A poster claimed to have a link to an Official Royal Source that gave access to the complete official guest list containing all 600 names which proved her uncle wasn't there, refused to post the link, then posted a link to a Wikipedia page which isn't official and only contained 150 names, was very rude and made comments like "learn to do maths idiot" when it was pointed out the Wikipedia page only contained 150 names not 600, got her arse handed to her for lying about having access to this Official 600-name list, then other Meghan-bashers flooded the thread with rule-breaking posts in order to get the thread deleted.

Genuine question: if Meghan's so obviously awful, and the Oprah interview so terrible, why are you so obsessed with proving she had no family at her wedding (and for months Mumsnetters were fixated with posting that she had no friends at her wedding, which was clearly total BS; at least they've dropped that now), or in proving that Meghan and her dad had never had anything other than a wonderful relationship before?

What's the point? Why the need to glom onto every tiny detail in order to demonise her? If you're so convinced the Oprah interview proves that she's a monster, surely that's enough? Why do you feel the need to prove stuff minor things from years ago as extra, extra proof of her awfulness?

I don't think who attended the wedding is that relevant

It’s become relevant because of the insistence of some pp that a particular person attended when scouring the internet produces no trace of it being true. In fact all press coverage points to it being untrue.

"Meghan's uncle was seated in the Quire. Along with all the other 450 unnamed guests."

But do you not think that he would have been quite an important enough guest to warrant being named?

See, you can't have a decent discussion without some previous internet battle being dragged into it. If you want to argue about how bad the antis or pros are, or who attended the wedding start a thread FFS.

What's the point? Why the need to glom onto every tiny detail in order to demonise her? If you're so convinced the Oprah interview proves that she's a monster, surely that's enough? Why do you feel the need to prove stuff minor things from years ago as extra, extra proof of her awfulness?
I don't think Meghan's a monster at all. That's your word.

I don't think she's a monster either, in fact this thread has mainly been around Harry.

That goes both ways ohforarainyday. The discussion about whether any of her uncles attended came out of a side-discussion about whether her father was formally invited to the wedding, a discussion in which you yourself were front and centre for post after post after post. Why did you feel the need to die on that hill yourself?