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AIBU in wanting to move my family back to NZ?

87 replies

MissDolittle15 · 22/05/2021 20:47

The move will leave my MIL absolutely devastated. I have name changed for this very indulgent post.

My mother in law is a kind and generous woman. She was a selfless mother and did everything for her two (now adult) sons and husband; the latter of whom repaid her by having an affair with a colleague and marrying her. This was two decades ago now but it clearly shattered her life and she has never really moved on. She has had a few relationships since then but not of the serious, co-habiting, life-sharing sort. She is still friendly with her ex husband and he is included in some family events while his wife is treated like the devil incarnate and excluded from family events (this is increasingly difficult as step-MIL has always been lovely and kind to me and my DD). This was the status quo before I came on the scene and I feel I have been very much expected to fall in line with this dynamic of excluding DH's step mother from events to protect MIL's feelings. I am including this context so that you will see how complex my feelings towards my MIL are.

My husband and BIL have a lot of time for their mother (go on holidays with her by themselves, that sort of thing). They spend every family holiday with her so she is never left alone, which has come to mean excluding their father from every Christmas and birthday celebrations have to be duplicated. I have always been very much welcomed and included in these Christmases and other events that are run on her terms, but I am finding it very difficult to make space for my family of origin in this very needy and controlling dynamic. We have spent one Christmas with my family in 13 years and at the time were made to feel very guilty about it, so much so, that we never did it again. We have always spent Christmas with MIL as a duo, or I have attended my family's Christmas alone without DH. Now that we have a DD, this dynamic obviously cannot continue and I feel stupid and resentful for having gone so many years pandering to this expectation to keep the peace.

There is more to this. I'm from another country and upon intially hearing of our relationship she said 'Well she better not take my son away to NZ' This anecdote was relayed to me by another family member as if it was a joke. At the time, I remember it feeling as if my relationship with her son was disapproved of already and I hadn't even met her yet. It definitely set off alarm bells within me at some level and I feel that the potential for me to 'take her son away' has been an underlying tension ever since. She has several times bailed me up without my husband present, teary-eyed, asking me where I intended to settle. The point of these conversations was clearly 'you will destroy my life if you move away with my son'. Similarly, I have had my brother in law and a niece of hers say the same without my husband present, ie, my mother in law is terrified that we will leave. I just find it so odd that this family all subscribe to this brand of guilt tripping and uphold MIL's belief that our lives and special occasions should always involve her to the exclusion of every other grandparent or family member. It is so incredibly unpleasant and unreasonable. BIL (mid 30s) has never had a serious relationship and I think just has not had to deal with the reality of balancing two families, but that doesn't stop him sticking his oar in and making me feel like crap.

It has been 10 years since we moved to DH's country and we still live in the same city as my mother in law. We were due to move back to my country last year, coinciding with the birth of our first baby, but this plan was scuppered by coronavirus border closures. None of my family have been able to visit me or meet my baby due to border closures and I am (quietly) utterly, utterly heartbroken about our plans being delayed and my maternity leave passing by without being allowed to see family. The arrival of the baby has made my mother in law fixate on us even more. I take the baby over to see her once a week while my husband is at work (I try to be inclusive and decent). It is never enough. When we say no to something, she responds by being passive aggressive, or relentlessly pushing her agenda. For instance, at the moment, she is constantly on at us about buying a house because she wants us financially locked-in so that we have to live here longer.

I feel like I have spent 10 years dancing around this woman, trying to be kind and inclusive and trying to convince her that she will always be welcome in our lives, wherever we live, but that doesn't seem to be enough. We have to live life on her terms or suffer endless guilt trips and passive aggression. I feel so depressed by this given that I really have tried to be a decent person over the course of many years, but I really will not short-change my DD by having her grow up somewhere that I believe has a lower quality of life, and dare I say it, I just want some time with my own family and their support while I am doing the lion's share of raising two kids.

AIBU moving my family back to NZ when I know it will devastate her?

Does anyone have experience of an inlaw that guilt trips in this way? Any advice on how to manage it?

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RealhousewifeofStoke · 22/05/2021 20:50

What does your husband want?

MoesBar · 22/05/2021 20:52

I’d be in NZ like a shit if I could be.

DH has had a decade in his home country, your turn now.

MissDolittle15 · 22/05/2021 20:56

He is very supportive of the move. I don't think he would have suggested the move off his own back, but he can certainly see the merits of it and knows how much I have missed my family this past decade.

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MouseInCatsClaws · 22/05/2021 21:00

Not anything as bad as your situation, but my mil lives in a different city and I have spent a decade travellng to vist every other weekend, with 4 kids, and having her on all of our family holidays. I am tired now, and realise there was quite subtle guilt tripping going on the whole time.
I think you need to explain to your husband the toll this is taking, and make him understand the sacrifices you have made. It is his turn now. I hope you find he is on the same page as you. But don't put yourself in the position of pandering to this woman until she dies, because that could be quite some time

MouseInCatsClaws · 22/05/2021 21:01

X post Its great he is supportive

MadMadMadamMim · 22/05/2021 21:01

You sound utterly focused on your MIL, begin by saying she is kind and generous and then go on to slag off her off about how needy and desperate she is and how you dance around her.

At no point do you mention your DH, who appears happy with the situation.

MIL is an utter non issue if BOTH you and DH wish to move to NZ. But I get the impression that you've either not even raised this as a suggestion with him, or he is opposed to it.

My understanding is that if your child is born in the UK you cannot now move to NZ, taking the child, without your husband's consent. Even if you divorce.

KatherineSiena · 22/05/2021 21:02

As your husband is keen to move I would try and go as soon as you are able before your MiL can change your husband’s mind. Obviously there will always be one disadvantaged family when you come from opposite ends of the globe but it’s been grossly unfair that you’ve had to forfeit celebrations so often and for such a long time.

MadMadMadamMim · 22/05/2021 21:02

x posted, sorry.

It's a non issue then. He's supportive of you moving to NZ. What's the issue? He'll have to deal with his mother himself.

VeganCheesePlease · 22/05/2021 21:03

Sounds like a tough situation.
Your MiL sounds a bit like mine with the passive aggression and manipulation, but like yourself I have built a great relationship with her. DH and I are both from Ireland and we both live here but we have settled near his family, about 30 miles from mine so not really that far. We normally spend every Christmas with his family and we see mine after but this year we spent Christmas eve with mine so I could see them before our regional lockdown, and honestly you'd think I'd asked him to spend the whole holiday season away from them! A kind but firm word on boundaries and how much time I spend with them was had and it was all fine but that's just to give an example.
You have to do what's right for you. You have spent a lot of time with his family and I'm sure your MiL is perfectly capable of coming to visit you.

Anothermother3 · 22/05/2021 21:04

Go as soon as you can!

birdbrained · 22/05/2021 21:06

Hey OP

Fellow Kiwi here, been in the U.K. for 20 years and have the British husband, 2 kids and parents in law that go along with it. I also know that moving my family back to NZ would break MIL's heart. I know it's her worst nightmare. They travel a lot but she makes it clear that she couldn't possibly cope with a flight to NZ and lots of other not so subtle hints.

I really want my kids to have a chance of experiencing some of the same childhood that I did. I'm worried the longer we leave it the harder it will be as PIL get older and their health gets worse.

You have every right to go home. She can visit. It doesn't necessarily need to be permanent. Lining up good jobs before you leave might make the justification of it easier for her to understand? I don't know - it's hard but the default shouldn't be to stay in the U.K. just because that's where you are now.

Good luck!

Voomster953 · 22/05/2021 21:16

Run. Go. You’ve paid your dues.

Aquamarine1029 · 22/05/2021 21:17

You are overthinking this to a massive degree. However your mother-in-law reacts to anything is not your problem or responsibility. You are making this your problem when it isn't, not even a little bit. If she has an almighty tantrum, let her. You can choose not to listen to a single word of it.

You and your husband have your own lives to lead, just as she had hers. Do what makes you happy.

SaturdayRocks · 22/05/2021 21:21

Gosh, I read the info about FIL having the affair with the colleague and felt awful for your MIL.

By the end of the OP, I was understanding a lot little more as to how it might have come about.

MIL sounds beyond unreasonable. Very controlling and inconsiderate of anyone else’s feelings, thoughts or preferences.

In her desperation to keep people close to her, she is pushing them away.

I didn’t hit it off with MIL in the early days for the exact same reason. I’m from NZ. I know she was terrified that I’d take her beloved, favourite son to the other side of the world.

When my Dad got cancer, we made the decision to do just that. It was DH who brought it up.

PIL were, of course, gutted. But they put on a brave face, and were entirely supportive. My relationship with MIL has improved a great deal over the years. MIL comes out to visit for a month every summer (the previous one excluded for obvious reasons). FIL is unable to travel, but it’s a nice break for MIL.

You need to make the right decision for you and your family. You need to make it, announce it (kindly), stick to it, and then do it.

You encourage PIL to come and visit. If they want to, if they love your DH and DC, they will. Likewise, if they want to cut off their noses to spite their face, they also will.

DH and out DC FaceTime PIL every Sunday. They’ve probably missed literally a handful of weekends in the 10 years we’ve been here. DC have a really good relationship with them.

It has worked out for us. My PIL are good, decent people though. That goes a long way, when you handle the situation sensitively.

bloodyhell19 · 22/05/2021 21:24

DH & I moved to my home country less than 5 years ago. Life has never been better & we're both so bloody happy. MIL - despite having a DH & 2 younger children - was not happy but she has learned emotional manipulation doesn't work with either of us. You cannot live life on someone else's terms, equally you can only allow someone else to intrude on your boundaries for so long. Your MIL is over-indulged & yes her exDH is a bit of a shit but really, how long does everyone else need to pay for that? Go, leave, run OP & take DH & DD with you.

Summerfun54321 · 22/05/2021 21:25

I’d be in NZ like a shit if I could be.

@MoesBar did you mean like a shot?! 😂

lockdownalli · 22/05/2021 21:25

In your shoes I would move to NZ as soon as you can. Let Dh deal with any fallout from MIL.

She will still have BIL to support her.

lockdownalli · 22/05/2021 21:26

Oh, and make sure nobody tells MIL until everything is absolutely set in stone and irrevocable.

She sounds like the type to develop "The Mystery Illness" that means DH cannot possibly leave if you give her enough leeway.

StoneofDestiny · 22/05/2021 21:29

Live your life as you are your DH want. Your MIL has made her choices.

MissDolittle15 · 22/05/2021 21:29

Thanks for the replies. It sounds like a few of you are in very similar situations. It's so hard isn't it? I know it's the best thing for us to do, and I know I have 'paid my dues' so to speak, but even when I am at my most resolute, I feel so aware of what the decision means for her and it makes me feel terrible.

@birdbrained - nice to hear from someone in the same situation. I know making such a long journey in her old age is a concern for her. It's such a god awful flight!

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MissDolittle15 · 22/05/2021 21:31

@Summerfun54321

I’d be in NZ like a shit if I could be.

@MoesBar did you mean like a shot?! 😂

Haha brilliant!
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Redjumper1 · 22/05/2021 21:35

If you move your MIL will probably come for extended stays instead. If your DH is happy to go then just go. Your MIL won't be happy but there is not much you can do about that.

EL8888 · 22/05/2021 21:56

I vote go for it, life is way too short. Plus it’s been your DH way for a decade and lm a fan of taking things in turn

IsThePopeCatholic · 22/05/2021 22:06

Just go. Your MiL will make the journey if she wants to see you all.

MoesBar · 23/05/2021 07:11

@Summerfun54321

I’d be in NZ like a shit if I could be.

@MoesBar did you mean like a shot?! 😂

Can you tell how many times I’ve typed shit in the last few days as shot autocorrected to shit? Grin