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AIBU in wanting to move my family back to NZ?

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MissDolittle15 · 22/05/2021 20:47

The move will leave my MIL absolutely devastated. I have name changed for this very indulgent post.

My mother in law is a kind and generous woman. She was a selfless mother and did everything for her two (now adult) sons and husband; the latter of whom repaid her by having an affair with a colleague and marrying her. This was two decades ago now but it clearly shattered her life and she has never really moved on. She has had a few relationships since then but not of the serious, co-habiting, life-sharing sort. She is still friendly with her ex husband and he is included in some family events while his wife is treated like the devil incarnate and excluded from family events (this is increasingly difficult as step-MIL has always been lovely and kind to me and my DD). This was the status quo before I came on the scene and I feel I have been very much expected to fall in line with this dynamic of excluding DH's step mother from events to protect MIL's feelings. I am including this context so that you will see how complex my feelings towards my MIL are.

My husband and BIL have a lot of time for their mother (go on holidays with her by themselves, that sort of thing). They spend every family holiday with her so she is never left alone, which has come to mean excluding their father from every Christmas and birthday celebrations have to be duplicated. I have always been very much welcomed and included in these Christmases and other events that are run on her terms, but I am finding it very difficult to make space for my family of origin in this very needy and controlling dynamic. We have spent one Christmas with my family in 13 years and at the time were made to feel very guilty about it, so much so, that we never did it again. We have always spent Christmas with MIL as a duo, or I have attended my family's Christmas alone without DH. Now that we have a DD, this dynamic obviously cannot continue and I feel stupid and resentful for having gone so many years pandering to this expectation to keep the peace.

There is more to this. I'm from another country and upon intially hearing of our relationship she said 'Well she better not take my son away to NZ' This anecdote was relayed to me by another family member as if it was a joke. At the time, I remember it feeling as if my relationship with her son was disapproved of already and I hadn't even met her yet. It definitely set off alarm bells within me at some level and I feel that the potential for me to 'take her son away' has been an underlying tension ever since. She has several times bailed me up without my husband present, teary-eyed, asking me where I intended to settle. The point of these conversations was clearly 'you will destroy my life if you move away with my son'. Similarly, I have had my brother in law and a niece of hers say the same without my husband present, ie, my mother in law is terrified that we will leave. I just find it so odd that this family all subscribe to this brand of guilt tripping and uphold MIL's belief that our lives and special occasions should always involve her to the exclusion of every other grandparent or family member. It is so incredibly unpleasant and unreasonable. BIL (mid 30s) has never had a serious relationship and I think just has not had to deal with the reality of balancing two families, but that doesn't stop him sticking his oar in and making me feel like crap.

It has been 10 years since we moved to DH's country and we still live in the same city as my mother in law. We were due to move back to my country last year, coinciding with the birth of our first baby, but this plan was scuppered by coronavirus border closures. None of my family have been able to visit me or meet my baby due to border closures and I am (quietly) utterly, utterly heartbroken about our plans being delayed and my maternity leave passing by without being allowed to see family. The arrival of the baby has made my mother in law fixate on us even more. I take the baby over to see her once a week while my husband is at work (I try to be inclusive and decent). It is never enough. When we say no to something, she responds by being passive aggressive, or relentlessly pushing her agenda. For instance, at the moment, she is constantly on at us about buying a house because she wants us financially locked-in so that we have to live here longer.

I feel like I have spent 10 years dancing around this woman, trying to be kind and inclusive and trying to convince her that she will always be welcome in our lives, wherever we live, but that doesn't seem to be enough. We have to live life on her terms or suffer endless guilt trips and passive aggression. I feel so depressed by this given that I really have tried to be a decent person over the course of many years, but I really will not short-change my DD by having her grow up somewhere that I believe has a lower quality of life, and dare I say it, I just want some time with my own family and their support while I am doing the lion's share of raising two kids.

AIBU moving my family back to NZ when I know it will devastate her?

Does anyone have experience of an inlaw that guilt trips in this way? Any advice on how to manage it?

OP posts:
Whanganui · 24/05/2021 13:25

MIL's greatest fear is probably never seeing her son again, but she can visit. Who knows it could I give her a new lease of life, she certainly needs to move on from her ex husband after 2 decades. I've always found the NZ flight to be easy, just as soon as I settle myself into the wine, middle row, 2-4 seats to myself towards the back ... Just go OP.

FinallyFluid · 24/05/2021 13:37

A parents job is to give their child roots and wings, not roots and pretty comprehensively clip their wings.

Go home, it is your time.

JackieTheFart · 24/05/2021 13:54

Wowzers.

You know, my kids are 12 and 9 but just the thought of them going to live thousands of miles away, even as adults, is extremely upsetting to me. You’re absolutely not obliged to live in her pockets, but do you not see how upsetting it might be to know your child isn’t within easy(ish) reach? Furthermore, I don’t understand how from the way you describe her, it’s all her fault that every special occasion is spent with her and not say, your husbands, for not saying no?

My mum came and visited me yesterday. She lives 200 miles away which is far enough. She’s getting older, she only has a state pension to get by on. Maybe MIL genuinely thinks if you’re living that far away, she will never see her son or her grandchild again in the flesh.

Your reasons for wanting to go back are totally valid and understandable, but I also think MIL is allowed to be upset. How she deals with that upset is another story, but it almost feels like she has always been shielded from anything like it so you haven’t had to deal with it.

AnneLovesGilbert · 24/05/2021 14:05

Go! You and your husband have already decided it’s the best thing for yourselves and your children.

tattleandbagels · 24/05/2021 14:10

You don't organise your entire life around a parent, it's batshit!

Put MIL aside, it sounds like NZ is better for you, better for your children, better for your husband. Why wouldn't you go?

Better for your children to relocate as early as possible.
In all honesty, I would go.

katy1213 · 24/05/2021 14:18

I'd be on the first plane out just to put some distance between you.
I don't understand why you feel guilty about her? She's not your responsibility - draw your boundaries, refuse to listen to the whinging and put her out of your mind. She can't throw a tantrum without an audience and that audience isn't going to be you.

PiuVinoPerFavore · 24/05/2021 17:28

@JackieTheFart

Wowzers.

You know, my kids are 12 and 9 but just the thought of them going to live thousands of miles away, even as adults, is extremely upsetting to me. You’re absolutely not obliged to live in her pockets, but do you not see how upsetting it might be to know your child isn’t within easy(ish) reach? Furthermore, I don’t understand how from the way you describe her, it’s all her fault that every special occasion is spent with her and not say, your husbands, for not saying no?

My mum came and visited me yesterday. She lives 200 miles away which is far enough. She’s getting older, she only has a state pension to get by on. Maybe MIL genuinely thinks if you’re living that far away, she will never see her son or her grandchild again in the flesh.

Your reasons for wanting to go back are totally valid and understandable, but I also think MIL is allowed to be upset. How she deals with that upset is another story, but it almost feels like she has always been shielded from anything like it so you haven’t had to deal with it.

I would miss my kids beyond words if they moved to the other side of the world, and I really really hope they don't. But if they happen to fall in love with someone from another country then that's life. I'd rather they were happy and didn't resent me. I'd wave them off with the biggest smile then start saving for visiting or helping them pay to visit here. Parents are allowed to be heartbroken, they just should keep it quiet.
MissDolittle15 · 24/05/2021 17:49

@JackieTheFart

Wowzers.

You know, my kids are 12 and 9 but just the thought of them going to live thousands of miles away, even as adults, is extremely upsetting to me. You’re absolutely not obliged to live in her pockets, but do you not see how upsetting it might be to know your child isn’t within easy(ish) reach? Furthermore, I don’t understand how from the way you describe her, it’s all her fault that every special occasion is spent with her and not say, your husbands, for not saying no?

My mum came and visited me yesterday. She lives 200 miles away which is far enough. She’s getting older, she only has a state pension to get by on. Maybe MIL genuinely thinks if you’re living that far away, she will never see her son or her grandchild again in the flesh.

Your reasons for wanting to go back are totally valid and understandable, but I also think MIL is allowed to be upset. How she deals with that upset is another story, but it almost feels like she has always been shielded from anything like it so you haven’t had to deal with it.

My husband really would come along to any family Christmas I asked him to, so it isn't his fault at all. The fact is that I did ask him to come along one year and we were literally reminded of it every time we saw my MIL between September when we made the decision to go and 22nd December (when we hosted an early Christmas at our house for her before our flight the next morning).

So, while my husband has offered to come to Christmas in NZ, I have always just remembered how awful she made us feel over the course of 4 months and decided it just was not worth the headache. Of course it is my fault for yielding to the guilt trip. I agree that we have shielded her from ever having to go without, which has massively fuelled the problem.

My DD is only a baby, and like you, I am sure it would sadden me if she lived so far away, but gosh, I would never, ever dream of making her live her life to suit me. I would be pretty horrified if she felt in any way responsible for my happiness.

@FinallyFluid Funny you mention the 'wings' metaphor. Ten years ago my mother walked me to the departure lounge, gave me a massive hug, and said "I raised you to fly. Be happy". I laughed at her unintentional pun, gave her a kiss, and went on my way. I don't think my mother loves me any less than my MIL loves her son. I never felt anything other than her unwavering support when I prepared to leave NZ.

I totally understand that MIL's feelings are valid, but I don't think the way she expresses it is fair on us. I feel that my own mother, who has lived without us for so long, also has valid feelings, which she would never weaponise in this way.

@An0n0n0n I know - there really shouldn't be a problem, but it has become an issue because when she has something to say, she usually says it to me, and not to DH. I think she has convinced herself, despite us telling her that it is a joint decision, that it's all my fault. Guilt doesn't work so well on my DH, he just ignores her and changes the subject. I really need to learn how to do this.

OP posts:
BeaLesshasty · 24/05/2021 18:08

Ten years ago my mother walked me to the departure lounge, gave me a massive hug, and said "I raised you to fly. Be happy"

How lovely and brave of your mum, OP.

I empathise with your MIL not wanting her DS and DGD to move to NZ but her being such an utter shit the one year you spent Xmas with your family would harden my heart to her.

Go home, OP, and spend some time with your mum. It's her turn.

mbosnz · 24/05/2021 18:28

When we decided to relocate over here to the UK, my mother (83) was upset, but understood our reasons, and was supportive.

My MIL (also 83), was very quiet, for a moment, and then said, with a quivering lip, 'well I haven't got a bloody leg to stand on, have I?!', referring to the fact that she emigrated from the UK with her young family, many years ago.

Now we have to try and figure out who is going to end up where, with our daughters in their lives, and us, and everyone is going to do what's right for them, with the full support and respect of the other members of the family.

Susannahmoody · 24/05/2021 20:16

Tough call op but you need to live your life, not your MIL's.

And it will only get harder the longer you stay in the UK.

From what I see your MIL has a choice - she can go with you to NZ, or stay. Your decision has been made - it's now up to her. Make this her choice, because she's an adult.

Susannahmoody · 24/05/2021 20:17

From what I gather, your brother in law would remain?

I'd be in NZ like a shit, too Grin

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