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AIBU in wanting to move my family back to NZ?

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MissDolittle15 · 22/05/2021 20:47

The move will leave my MIL absolutely devastated. I have name changed for this very indulgent post.

My mother in law is a kind and generous woman. She was a selfless mother and did everything for her two (now adult) sons and husband; the latter of whom repaid her by having an affair with a colleague and marrying her. This was two decades ago now but it clearly shattered her life and she has never really moved on. She has had a few relationships since then but not of the serious, co-habiting, life-sharing sort. She is still friendly with her ex husband and he is included in some family events while his wife is treated like the devil incarnate and excluded from family events (this is increasingly difficult as step-MIL has always been lovely and kind to me and my DD). This was the status quo before I came on the scene and I feel I have been very much expected to fall in line with this dynamic of excluding DH's step mother from events to protect MIL's feelings. I am including this context so that you will see how complex my feelings towards my MIL are.

My husband and BIL have a lot of time for their mother (go on holidays with her by themselves, that sort of thing). They spend every family holiday with her so she is never left alone, which has come to mean excluding their father from every Christmas and birthday celebrations have to be duplicated. I have always been very much welcomed and included in these Christmases and other events that are run on her terms, but I am finding it very difficult to make space for my family of origin in this very needy and controlling dynamic. We have spent one Christmas with my family in 13 years and at the time were made to feel very guilty about it, so much so, that we never did it again. We have always spent Christmas with MIL as a duo, or I have attended my family's Christmas alone without DH. Now that we have a DD, this dynamic obviously cannot continue and I feel stupid and resentful for having gone so many years pandering to this expectation to keep the peace.

There is more to this. I'm from another country and upon intially hearing of our relationship she said 'Well she better not take my son away to NZ' This anecdote was relayed to me by another family member as if it was a joke. At the time, I remember it feeling as if my relationship with her son was disapproved of already and I hadn't even met her yet. It definitely set off alarm bells within me at some level and I feel that the potential for me to 'take her son away' has been an underlying tension ever since. She has several times bailed me up without my husband present, teary-eyed, asking me where I intended to settle. The point of these conversations was clearly 'you will destroy my life if you move away with my son'. Similarly, I have had my brother in law and a niece of hers say the same without my husband present, ie, my mother in law is terrified that we will leave. I just find it so odd that this family all subscribe to this brand of guilt tripping and uphold MIL's belief that our lives and special occasions should always involve her to the exclusion of every other grandparent or family member. It is so incredibly unpleasant and unreasonable. BIL (mid 30s) has never had a serious relationship and I think just has not had to deal with the reality of balancing two families, but that doesn't stop him sticking his oar in and making me feel like crap.

It has been 10 years since we moved to DH's country and we still live in the same city as my mother in law. We were due to move back to my country last year, coinciding with the birth of our first baby, but this plan was scuppered by coronavirus border closures. None of my family have been able to visit me or meet my baby due to border closures and I am (quietly) utterly, utterly heartbroken about our plans being delayed and my maternity leave passing by without being allowed to see family. The arrival of the baby has made my mother in law fixate on us even more. I take the baby over to see her once a week while my husband is at work (I try to be inclusive and decent). It is never enough. When we say no to something, she responds by being passive aggressive, or relentlessly pushing her agenda. For instance, at the moment, she is constantly on at us about buying a house because she wants us financially locked-in so that we have to live here longer.

I feel like I have spent 10 years dancing around this woman, trying to be kind and inclusive and trying to convince her that she will always be welcome in our lives, wherever we live, but that doesn't seem to be enough. We have to live life on her terms or suffer endless guilt trips and passive aggression. I feel so depressed by this given that I really have tried to be a decent person over the course of many years, but I really will not short-change my DD by having her grow up somewhere that I believe has a lower quality of life, and dare I say it, I just want some time with my own family and their support while I am doing the lion's share of raising two kids.

AIBU moving my family back to NZ when I know it will devastate her?

Does anyone have experience of an inlaw that guilt trips in this way? Any advice on how to manage it?

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CagneyNYPD · 23/05/2021 10:06

I think you should get on with your plans. Your key responsibility now is to your own dc. Giving them the best life opportunities you can is your responsibility and NZ would be a fantastic country to grow up in.

Yes, there will be very difficult conversations with your MIL. But she knows you are going so delaying (except for Covid reasons) actually is unkind to her as it gives her false hope.

Make sure that at your NZ lifestyle affords you a buffer zone of money to allow you to travel back to the UK and help your MIL visit for extended periods.

Dozer · 23/05/2021 10:11

I think you’re being U about fitting in with DH and BiLs’ wishes as regards their seeing parents and their father’s wife: their family, their choice. Awkward for you, but manageable.

If you wanted to spend more Christmases with your family, you raised this and your DH wouldn’t share the time, your primarily problem is DH not MiL.

YANBU to proceed with your plan to move home / DH to emigrate.

Understandable that his family will have feelings about this and talk about it. This is for DH to manage. If / when they say things to you, ‘broken record’ technique might come in handy, eg ‘yes, we’re planning to move to NZ in 22, realise it’s sad for you’. (Nothing on reasons/arguments). (If pressed) ‘let’s talk about this another time / with DH’.

If you don’t enjoy MiL’s company, visit her less when alone.

Sloth66 · 23/05/2021 10:18

My Adult DS has always loved travelling and it wouldnt surprise me if he ends up living abroad. It’s his life, and I wouldn’t try to put pressure on how he chooses to live it.
I think the real issue is that sadly your MiL has never managed to move on after being left for another woman.
Invite her out to NZ, make it clear she’s welcome. I think it’s your time to live where you want now.

Ickythefirebobby · 23/05/2021 10:19

Blimey you’ve been more than reasonable for years. I would ignore the emotional blackmail and make the move. You have to do what’s best for your family. It’s so selfish of your mil to monopolise you and your family like that.

3scape · 23/05/2021 10:24

Go. At the moment your MIL has 'got' BIL not invested in a relationship etc. It's a lovely place (NZ) though careful she doesn't fall for the place next!

MissDolittle15 · 23/05/2021 10:31

@Ickythefirebobby thanks Icky, you have put my feelings into much better words. I absolutely feel as if we have been monopolised and there is no reasonable middle ground that would ever be acceptable to her, unfortunately.

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MissDolittle15 · 23/05/2021 10:39

@M0rT Thanks for your post. This sounds a very similar situation and the bit where you mentioned being torn between guilt and frustration resonated a lot. I am so glad you have learned to manage it and you are so right that I simply need to learn to do the same.

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Wizzbangfizz · 23/05/2021 10:40

Just go and continue to be upfront and honest with her about going. If she chooses to bury her head in the sand then let her.

Beautiful3 · 23/05/2021 10:54

Honestly, life is too short to worry about a perfectly capable grown up. Your reasons for going home are valid and positive for the children and yourselves. Go and make plans now before you end up stuck here until you end up caring for an infirm mil.

Sarcobaleno · 23/05/2021 11:26

So your MIL is free to choose other bits of her life over coming with you to NZ but you feel guilty over choosing other bits of your life over staying for her? You both make your own decisions. You have a duty to decide what's best for your children, not your MIL. She's an adult and makes her own choices. You sound lovely and can understand why you feel guilty, but imagine how resentful you will feel if your life is dictated by your MIL's emotions. Resentment is no good for any of you. Go now, while the kids are young and it's easier. Good luck.

SavoyCabbage · 23/05/2021 12:50

When I Li bed in Australia my mother came every year for about three months. She ended up with a fairly active social life in Australia.

BarbarianMum · 23/05/2021 12:54

@SavoyCabbage then I guess your mum had good health and quite a bit of money.

Redjumper1 · 23/05/2021 12:55

It's interesting to hear other peoples experiences with their family and meeting the needs of MIL. I personally think that a Mother's role is to raise your children as best you can and accommodate them moving into their independent adult lives, putting their spouse and children at the forefront of their decisions. Insisting that you should be at the center of their decisions is imv selfish. I only have one child but can't imagine standing in the way of him doing what he feels is best for his family. Perhaps my logic is not usual.

Amdone123 · 23/05/2021 13:03

@Redjumper1, you are absolutely right.

HeckyPeck · 23/05/2021 13:13

BIL has mentioned that he feels we are being selfish because he wouldn't be able leave the UK and live elsewhere if we go to NZ.

I read this and thought definitely don't delay in going any more than you have to because of Covid and visas. Imagine if BIL did move abroad - the guilt trips would massively intensify then!

I think it might actually do your MIL good to have the apron strings cut. She might forge out her own life for herself if she doesn't use you and your DH as such a crutch.

Fingers crossed you can move soon OP.

MilduraS · 23/05/2021 13:52

I lived in New Zealand for three years and would love to raise kids there. I don't think you're being selfish or unreasonable if your DH and kids are on board with the plans. I don't want to dismiss your MIL's feelings because it would be tough to suddenly have you so far away but it's not fair for the whole family to sacrifice a better lifestyle to keep her happy.

SavoyCabbage · 23/05/2021 14:19

[quote BarbarianMum]@SavoyCabbage then I guess your mum had good health and quite a bit of money.[/quote]

Well, she didn't particularly enjoy the flight of course but always went Emirates as she found they looked after her quite well. She was in her late sixties and early seventies.

The flights were about £900-£1000 return as she left the UK before they went up in price for Christmas on December 9th and avoided the CNY price hike and In February time too. And the Australian school summer holidays.

Then she had minimal outgoings as she wasn't paying to fully run her home and car for three months every winter. And we were feeding her etc.

I remember her saying once that she didn't need to buy toothpaste as she just used the dcs......so there's a saving! Grin

billy1966 · 23/05/2021 14:48

OP,
One Christmas in 13 years is shocking.
I think that is so selfish of her.

You need to give your head a shake and prevent you having regrets in your life regarding YOUR parents.
Flowers

C152 · 23/05/2021 16:08

Move home as soon as possible!

MissDolittle15 · 24/05/2021 11:50

Just a note to say thank you to everyone for your words of wisdom and experiences shared on this thread. It has been really helpful just to sound-off about this situation and receive some objective advice (even the home truths on the thread have just helped me be a little more self-aware about certain aspects of this dynamic!)

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Donitta · 24/05/2021 11:55

Are you from NZ? If not then you have zero chance of getting in because they’ve closed the borders. If you are from NZ then of course you should go! It’s literally the only chance for you all to live a normal life right now, they have virtually zero Covid.

AnxiousWreckAgain · 24/05/2021 12:45

it's just hard to make that decision when someone is telling you that in doing so, you are breaking their heart.

That hit home. I had this exact conversation with my in-laws a few months ago... they kept repeating that we’d be breaking their hearts. For now we’ve decided not to go, but we haven’t found anywhere to buy here either, so we’re stuck in limbo now. I hold a decent amount of resentment over it. I imagine that’ll worsen when the borders open and we’d be making the move, if they hadn’t changed their minds.

My husband is torn, because his parents have started to seem older during lockdown, but he does want to go. I can’t see when it gets easier too - they’re frailer but not unwell, and I think realistically we’ll be too old to make the move when they’re not around anymore. I hope we’ve got a lot of time left with them both. It’s hit me harder since I’ve found out that I’m pregnant - we’re so very happy, but I wish we still had our plans to go. It’d have suited us all, including baby, far better.

Anyway; that’s by the by. You either give up on your idea of going home or she is going to be upset. There isn’t; and won’t ever be, a middle ground that suits everyone.

I’d start making plans. Make sure your husband is on board. Check it’ll work out for everyone. MIL will be okay.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 24/05/2021 12:57

@MissDolittle15. I have every sympathy. My own situation is massively complicated too

That aside, I have dual NZ citizenship, so I could move back. My mum is there as well as some friends etc. BUT having looked at the cost of housing now, I don't think I can afford to. My Dad died and my mum sold the family home & moved into a retirement village, so I can't even live with her while I get myself sorted.

If you can afford to buy there and you & DH want to do this, you should. Your MIL doesn't want to join you, that's her choice.

I do have sympathy for her, but you have yourselves & your parents etc to consider too. NZ is a lovely place to grow up!

BootsScootsAndToots · 24/05/2021 13:08

We moved to my home my country 2 year's ago.

I had spent nearly 10 years away, and had only been home for Christmas once in that time.

I'm pretty sure IL were devastated, and probably secretly dislike I'm Australian, but the key word is 'secretly' as they've never let on.

Mind you, I wouldn't have been blackmailed into staying, but I do genuinely like my IL and hope they like me.

SIL had also just had a baby so it was a good time (if ever there is one) to take 2 of their DGC to the other side of the world.

An0n0n0n · 24/05/2021 13:15

I dont meant this rudely but i dont understand why or what the problem is? You want to move, DH agrees. Yeah you may be subjected to guilt trips but its really for your husband to deal with.

You cant always win people over by being rational and gicen what younhave said about MIL you cant reason with her so just donwhat works for your family x