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Financial situation of in laws

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isthisgreedyofme · 20/05/2021 14:32

I am writing this to vent and to try to get my head around it.

Been happily married to DH for 15 years, we're in our 40s. Like a lot of people our age, we are doing just about OK for money. Keeping up with the mortgage, childcare costs, etc. is a struggle to be honest, but we scrimp and save, make do, and keep our heads above water. DH has a sort of slightly above averagely paid job; I don't earn enough to pay tax (I run my own business and though I work really hard, it's not going at all well over the pandemic, but that's another story).

Over the years, our in laws have more or less a succession of large presents from us. Things like weekends away at expensive historic properties to celebrate landmark birthdays, large presents, parties etc. We've have had to scrimp and save to do this, and the effort involved hasn't always been appreciated (my MIL complained that the very nice cottage we'd let for her 70th birthday wasn't grand enough). The effort isn't reciprocated - they don't do the same back for us. We also do a lot to help them out in practical terms, which again is not reciprocated.

What is more, they are downright tight in their attitude to money on a more everyday basis, asking us to pay for meals out, drinks, and never donating to charity or good causes. They never give anything that they own away, unless it's broken or junk and more or less worthless, even though their houses is over-full of valuable belongings (there are literally things piled on things in every room to the point that it borders on hoarding).

I've always assumed they were asset-rich but money-poor and been willing to make sacrifices to ensure they have a good time. But I've recently found out that this is not true and that they are actually cash millionnaires. They have over £1.1 million in the bank in ISA-type investments (they are very risk averse), they own a £500k house, and another bungalow without a mortgage. They also have very generous pensions, especially considering that they both gave up work in their 40s plus income from their second house, which they let. Altogether, they have far more coming in than we do, plus this immense cash reserve as a safety net.

This has come out becuase we have been dealing with solicitors recently due to a legal issue they have and the solicitor told them that they might want to consider estate planning to reduce inheritance tax. They said right in front of us that they don't want to do this because they don't know how much they will need for care costs, and they come first. They didn't even stop to think about us, or about BIL (who is financially in a similat position to us). They have form for this - they are very, very self-centred.

AIBU to think they are just really mean? Or am I being grabby in thinking that?

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Anna727b · 20/05/2021 16:01

They sound like dicks.

Xenia · 20/05/2021 16:04

I cannot understand why you buy them lavish gifts? That is the only strange thing about all this. I always tell people I don't want any presents and I would certainly not expect from my children the kind of thing you give these inlaws.

I think some of your views about what richer parents in law should do are a bit unusual. It is their money and if they want to save it so they have a lot in the bank that is probably why they have it as they always been careful with money.

On inheritance tax my father had to spend £130,000 last of his life savings on dementia care at home in his last year of life so an elderly couple here deciding they might well need money for care are being wise rather than mean.

I don't think you should give them a single bit of help with anything. It sounds a strange relationship. let them get on with filling in their own forms.

fishonabicycle · 20/05/2021 16:04

Why on earth do you keep helping them/treating them when they are so ungrateful? It's really your own faults for doing this - if you stroke a dog and it bites you, you wouldn't keep stroking it, would you?

isthisgreedyofme · 20/05/2021 16:06

"I would say they see you as The Hired Help but that would mean you got paid!"

Yep. Actually a really perceptive comment. I don't want to give details because it would be outing, but at a recent event they invited me as a guest and then sprung it on me that I was expected to make and serve drinks all evening. I was ordered around in a tone of voice that no hired help would tolerate, frankly. So yes.

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ScatteredMama82 · 20/05/2021 16:06

OP, you talk an awful lot about how YOU feel about this, but not your DH. In the nicest possible way, you aren't entitled to their money. My FIL has another son (different relationship from DH's mother). He is a complete waste of space and never lifts a finger to help FIL, but FIL pays him an allowance each month. We don't get anything from him. My DH is the one who helps FIL out, looked after him when he was ill etc. I have my opinions on this, but it's not for me to say. I think you risk becoming very bitter over this. By all means stop giving more than you receive, but stop looking at it as a personal affront.

RuggerHug · 20/05/2021 16:07

Any expectations of more than a token gift going forward make sure you tell them no, they've inspired you to save for yours and your childrens future and that comes first.

isthisgreedyofme · 20/05/2021 16:07

I've explained the lavish gifts thing upthread - it is very much our problem, but one we are dealing with.

DH is on board with every word I'm writing (in fact, he's popping into the room I'm sitting in ever so often, nodding at some of these responses!)

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Aprilwasverywet · 20/05/2021 16:08

Well at least they have their (financial) arses covered should they need wiping....
Back away op. Concentrate on people who bring smiles to your life...

Donotgogentle · 20/05/2021 16:09

@Tambora

As others say, they are entitled to do whatever they want with their money.

The ungrateful, tight-fisted gits.

Grin
Scbchl · 20/05/2021 16:10

Stop buying them things for a start! Buy them the same as they buy you!

SchadenfreudePersonified · 20/05/2021 16:10

It's not the money is it OP?

It's the meanness, ingratitude and entitlement. What's yours is theirs and what's theirs is their own, sort of attitude.

I agree that if it was me, I would cut back on the gifts, breaks, meals out etc.

A nice box of Dairy Milk and some garage flowers for her next birthday, I think, and a box of hankies for his. (M&S - no need to be stingy! Grin)

isthisgreedyofme · 20/05/2021 16:11

"Concentrate on people who bring smiles to your life..."

Daffodil That's a great message to carry out of this, thank you! Flowers

I don't really understand the comments about us "relying on an inheritance". We literally didn't know they had any money until TODAY. We therefore haven't been expecting any kind of inheritance - it literally isn't something we've ever thought about or discussed. This has all been a big, big shock. We believed the situation was one thing, and have been making huge efforts to help them out as a result of that belief, and it turns out we were very, very wrong!

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Shehasadiamondinthesky · 20/05/2021 16:14

I have the exact same thing with my parents OP, they are millionaires and I am just a low paid NHS professional just about making ends meet.
I am expected to source extravagant gifts for them every birthday and xmas or there is a tantrum and I just can't afford it. I live on my own so single salary.
I get a few quid in return not even a gift they have chosen.
I'm properly sick of it now and I'm not doing it anymore. I was asked why and I said because I'm not bloody married anymore so no dual salaries, I'm saving for retirement in a few years and I'm just too bloody tired after covid and working in the nHS to trawl round every damned shop in the county looking for something they have never seen or had before.
Apparently I am now persona non grata - I don't give a shit.

TatianaBis · 20/05/2021 16:19

They chose to retire 4 hours' drive from us, so just getting to them every 4-6 weeks to spend a few days sorting them out is really onerous and takes up a significant part of our annual leave.

Wtaf? Just stop!

isthisgreedyofme · 20/05/2021 16:20

@Shehasadiamonginthesky That is utterly shocking. I am so very sorry you've been treated that way. It's not fair, or just. But I know that some people are genuinely THAT selfish.

By the way thank you so much for everything you have done during COVID. I can't tell you how grateful I am to you and all the other NHS and social care professionals. One of my relatives died of COVID, so I have seen first hand how hard conditions have been in hospitals for staff. You give and give all day, it is quite right that you are putting yourself first financially. Power to your elbow, girl.

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Fifthtimelucky · 20/05/2021 16:21

I agree with @UpTheJunktion.

I'd tell them that that conversation made you realise just how badly prepared you and your husband are for your old age and that, following their example, you are now planning to cut back on your discretionary spending to ensure that you are able to save for your retirement and your possible future care needs.

You also need to maximise the amount of time you spend working on your business so unfortunately will no longer have time to help out with their admin.

RandomMess · 20/05/2021 16:29

Urgh they are mean with love, money, joy and time Sad

So glad your DH is not like them!

Couchbettato · 20/05/2021 16:29

@isthisgreedyofme

The more I read your replies, the more I agree with you. It IS their money. It is absolutely their choice what they do with it.

But also: it's my time and labour here, spend doing gardening, helping with form-filling, doing admin that takes literally days on end (we are currently on a visit where DH has spent literally 3 days of his annual leave trying to straighten out their affairs because they are too busy playing and enjoying themselves with friends to get down to being organised so we have to step in). They can absolutely pay for professionals to come in and do all this in future.

Yeah I'd stop doing all that.

If I had money and I was at the coffin-dodging age then I would absolutely want to make sure my family would be comfortable after I've gone.

Especially when they've been so gracious as to help me with my life.

Sod that for a game of soldiers though.

Focus your time, energy and money into your selves and your children.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 20/05/2021 16:29

@Fifthtimelucky

I agree with *@UpTheJunktion*.

I'd tell them that that conversation made you realise just how badly prepared you and your husband are for your old age and that, following their example, you are now planning to cut back on your discretionary spending to ensure that you are able to save for your retirement and your possible future care needs.

You also need to maximise the amount of time you spend working on your business so unfortunately will no longer have time to help out with their admin.

100% this. STOP the fucking gifts, travelling to see them all the time, etc.
LemonTT · 20/05/2021 16:32

Well you are daft to give people (you resent) gifts you cannot afford. That’s on you and your husband.

Quite amazing how your husband and his brother failed to see his parents were wealthy. They must have had serious good careers to retire with a mature pension in the 40’s. It’s a pity they didn’t take a leaf out of their parents book. You would be better off.

Still there’s a lot of boxes ticked in the inter generational war some people like to whip up. Good

RockPainting · 20/05/2021 16:32

I completely get this. YANBU.

My approach to getting to this stage with my own DCs is that we're sort of a big team, and that we can help them to be comfortable in their lives.

My DPs were like this. My dad said he was 'going to enjoy all of his money before he dies, and tip the undertaker his last tenner'. The attitude being that we will sort out the estate and inherit whatever is left.

At one point we were REALLY struggling with 2 DCs, childcare costs, income difficulties due to redundancies, and trapped in a far too small house (not even a really nice area). DPs were forever going on holidays, buying new gadgets, changing the car, lunches out and yes, expecting the lavish and well thought through presents.

I said to them one day that we couldn't manage it anymore. That we were scrimping and saving yet making it 'look' ok. That frankly, they needed to sort their affairs out, that you can only have / spend so much cash once you retire (because your lifestyle is fairly settled by then) and to be honest if they were thinking of us inheriting at all, then I would really appreciate some help now, and not when I am 60 and they die.

Eventually they did it. They've never given us a big chunk of cash (fine) but they have changed their attitude and actually helped us out when we have needed it. Yes they still get lovely thoughtful presents from us, yes I still get a cheque to 'get myself something nice, we don't know what you like', it's upsetting but its better.

They have a totally different attitude to money to us. Have you read 'Rich dad, poor dad'? They sound like poor dad hoarding cash and spending money on things that decrease in value whilst not wising up to estate planning.

Key think is for you and DH to be on the same page first.

dottiedodah · 20/05/2021 16:32

I agree that yes it is their money .However they are like a lot of wealthy people they probably dont think they are "Rich" I would certainly curtail any expensive gifts to them .They are not appreciative and are taking the piss ! They seem to be like a lot of older people ,and just want to save their assets for this rainy day while enjoying themselves to the absolute max!Why on earth did your DH take 3 days to help them? Dont do that again!

Dishwashersaurous · 20/05/2021 16:32

Why did you buy gifts that you can't afford? How are they to know that you are scrimping and saving to buy gifts

Shortbreadbrokemytooth · 20/05/2021 16:33

Now that you’ve recognised just how selfish your PIL are, you and DH cans start working on different ways to say no to them!

Xiaoxiong · 20/05/2021 16:34

People are just misunderstanding (whether inadvertently or willfully) when they think you've been relying on an inheritance - they've assumed that you were doing all these generous things and giving generous presents in the hope of receiving an inheritance/ILs would help you out in your own financial needs, and then miffed to find out they're going to save it for their care.

I totally understand what you were doing though - you thought they were poor pensioners so you were trying to treat them, even if it meant you had to do a bit of scrimping. It's basically a lie of omission if they implied they had no money, to be honest - they did it in order to get you to pay for dinners and give them nice experiences and save them ££ on gardening/admin/etc, while they stashed their share away in savings.

You were very kind and generous to the poor pensioners you thought they were! (though in hindsight you should have stopped the minute MIL moaned about the cottage. Also best not to give gifts you can't really afford, even if they had been very deserving!!)