Are people who are going on holiday this year selfish?

[Meltinthemiddle]

Just saw a big row unfold on my FB feed because someone posted they've had their vaccinations and can't wait to go on holiday and they quite a few negative responses calling them selfish 🙈. I just wondered what others thought?

Twats not wearing masks- selfish
Twats celebrating Christmas with entire extended families- selfish
Twats banging on about having to stay at home when the vulnerable and elderly should be dead anyway- selfish.
Twats who've been swinging the leg doing fuck all except jumping about to Joe Wickes refusing to go back to the office- selfish
(Thick) twats refusing the vaccine- selfish

Fully vaccinated people (or people who are going to take tests and quarantine) deciding how and where to spend their money- not selfish.

HTH

@SoUmmYeah

As long as they are following the (woefully inadequate) rules post holiday they are doing nothing wrong

Do I think anything but essential foreign travel should be allowed, No. Do I think those doing something completely legal and above board are selfish and wrong? No.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD do it, or that it's ok to do it.

People can use their sense & see that it's not a sensible thing to do, without the Govt explicitly banning it.

@LondonJax

There was a man on the radio this morning who is going to an amber level country at half term.

He'd booked the holiday before the pandemic last year. Then had to alter it when Covid struck. Then altered it again when travel restrictions hit. This time, because Boris has said 'use common sense' rather than ban travel to the amber countries, his travel company won't change the date again. He can travel (he's just been advised to take personal responsibility by Boris and co.)

He's obeying quarantine - having to take his kids out of school for the ten days after the holiday (as he said the school isn't happy but he's not allowed to send them in so how do you have a week's holiday AND 10 days quarantine without missing school?)

If he cancel's the trip he loses £3000 - if Boris said travel to amber countries was banned rather than 'personal responsibility' he'd get his money back (or could rebook a different date).

As he said, all he can do is be sensible on their trip.

Because Boris won't ban trips a lot of people are being told by travel companies 'go or you lose your money'. One other woman is off to the Belgium grand prix in August (assuming she can travel). Belgium's on the amber list but, again, she's going to lose £800 if she doesn't go.

Yes, these people can lose their money. But without the refund they can't rebook for a better time so they're taking a chance and doing their best with precautions etc.

Yes, they meds to do something to sort this mess out.

Amber is supposed to be for emergency & compassionate travel NOT for leisure and they MUST get that worded in the correct way do holiday bookings can be changed or refunded.

How many fucking times, do we have to go through that with them, it's not hidden, it's not difficult, it just seems beyond whoever writes these documents.

Does it matter if someone is selfish or not? Everyone can get upset and angry and think someone else is selfish or unfair, but that’s not going to change anything. Much better to worry about what you are doing and whether you’re selfish or not.

@Brainwave89

I have a holiday booked in very late August in Italy. Clearly if borders are shut and travel is banned again, I and the rest of the family will not be going. otherwise, no I do not think I am selfish. I will observe all rules locally and in the UK and will self isolate if required on return alongside mandatory testing. I have some friends and neighbours involved in the tourism business and they are struggling at the moment and desperate to see some semblance of normality return. This is absolutely a personal choice, but I do not think I am selfish.

How does you going to Italy benefit your friends & family in the tourism industry in the U.K.?

If you have to quarantine on arrival back here, will you have to keep your kids off school? )presuming by 'family' you have DC)

No, it is not selfish. It is allowed, and if they follow any self-isolation rules etc on return, then it is a non-issue in my eyes.

Amber is supposed to be for emergency & compassionate travel NOT for leisure and they MUST get that worded in the correct way do holiday bookings can be changed or refunded

The traffic light system (in law) said nothing of the sort, even now, its just advice, with quarantine at home.

EU rates are plummeting now, in a couple of weeks, they'll be on par with UK.

Not selfish. It’s ok to want to go on holiday, everyone has had a shit time. We’ve written off getting abroad this year as it’ll be too much hassle with small DC, but if it was just DH & I we’d definitely be trying to get away late summer after we’ve had both vaccinations. As it is we’ll be stuck in the (probably rainy and windy) UK and will make the best of that instead.

Pure jealousy

Well, they are not going on holiday "for the greater good" obviously so it's hardly an altruistic move,

but if you mean, are they wrong? Absolutely not. Mental health is just as important as anything else, and some of us need a holiday and don't buy all that staycation nonsense.

Plus it helps the travel industry anyway, so as long as it's allowed, I wish them a great time. I will be one of them .

How does you going to Italy benefit your friends & family in the tourism industry in the U.K.?

It's unlikely the poster will teleport...

I don't think 'selfish' is a particularly helpful concept, because people's situations are different.

But it's sensible to do what we can to limit the spread of covid while the vax programme is spreading out, while not clobbering the economy or our mental health. For most people that means go on holiday but stick to the UK (a great way to boost the economy), but for those who have family abroad, or are on their knees with exhaustion and know that a bit of sun would help them stand up again, abroad might be justifiable.

@Demelza82

Selfish? Not necessarily. Stupid? Yes

Why stupid? We're both vaccinated and will have the tests either side of the journey.

What is the problem with fully vaccinated people travelling to green countries?

Not selfish. Personally I don’t want to yet.

I've had both my vaccines and had booked a holiday for this year two weeks before lockdown last year. Dates have been changed three times, each time the costs have gone up, it is to an amber country and believe me if that plane is flying I will be on it. I will also have paid for the necessary PCR tests, got my vaccine passport and will isolate after. Selfish? maybe. Sensible? yes.

What’s your AIBU OP?

@ConfusedAdultFemale

Does it matter if someone is selfish or not? Everyone can get upset and angry and think someone else is selfish or unfair, but that’s not going to change anything. Much better to worry about what you are doing and whether you’re selfish or not.

Yes, it matters if someone else is selfish.

Each one of us carries a pretty small personal risk that we will be infected, pass on the vaccine and cause someone’s death, especially if we’ve been vaccinated. But collectively we carry a big risk, especially when we travel into less vaccinated populations with variants circulating.

It’s pretty simple. If none of us chose to go on a foreign holiday for a year we would vastly decrease the prevalence of the disease. But, sure, you need the sunshine...

@PurpleRainDancer

What’s your AIBU OP?

I did wonder, also how does the voting work. @Meltinthemiddle seems to have disappeared. Maybe they were posting from the airport about to selfishly go on holiday.

No more selfish than anyone going to the pub.

I'm not going on holiday abroad this year because of the threat of quarantine, faffing about taking multiple Covid tests, etc. I don't think people going on holiday are selfish.

Haha I wish I was posting from the airport!! Sorry I forgot that bit 🙈. OK the vote is....

People who go on holiday abroad this year are selfish.

Yes=yanbu
No=yabu

To be honest even if I could afford it I wouldnt want to this year and would rather go next year but that's my personal choice. And like others have said the government need to make a decision

It’s pretty simple. If none of us chose to go on a foreign holiday for a year we would vastly decrease the prevalence of the disease. But, sure, you need the sunshine...

more than you actually need to go to Primark, to the pub, to have your hair done...

You should be grateful for all of us who ARE going abroad and make this tiny island a little bit less crowded... the UK will be hell this summer, and that's even assuming the weather will be as nice as last year. I don't envy "staycationners".

@MasterBeth I’ve not been on holiday either within or out with the U.K. for almost 5 years, so you might want to rethink your me needing the sunshine comment not a holiday person personally. But at the end of the day it really doesn’t matter if anyone is selfish or not. They’re still people who have made their choices and flogging them with insults isn’t going to make them realise that they’re putting others at risk and prolonging the pandemic. They simply don’t care, they’re aware of the risks and aware of the dangers but they still choose to put themselves first so it doesn’t matter if people are selfish, it matters what you choose to do and how you choose to keep yourself safe.

@Meltinthemiddle

Haha I wish I was posting from the airport!! Sorry I forgot that bit 🙈. OK the vote is....

People who go on holiday abroad this year are selfish.

Yes=yanbu
No=yabu

To be honest even if I could afford it I wouldnt want to this year and would rather go next year but that's my personal choice. And like others have said the government need to make a decision

Oh you are back. Bit late to explain the vote after a few hours so I wouldn't take too much notice of the results if that's the case. But using AIBU as a vote is unreasonable in itself IMO.

People who say that sort of crap also say that those who take care their life are selfish because they should live for others.

If they observe all testing and quarantine requirements 100% to the letter, and are prepared to follow all restrictions both in the Uk and wherever the place they travel to is, are respectful and courteous to their hosts and those such as waiters/hotel staff, then fine by me. No whinging about queues at airports and the useless Borders Agency, and please I hope they make an effort if abroad to speak some of the local language.