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To keep a ‘bad’ dog?

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2ndaryInfertilityage30 · 19/05/2021 09:38

I’m sure I will be slated, but hear me out.

My dog is 2 - she was not a lock down dog. I bought her as a Cockerpoo with her dad being a toy poodle. She looks exactly like a large cocker spaniel and nothing like a cockerpoo. She is so so strong that my kids can’t walk her. She has pulled my mother in law over and she spent 5 days in hospital. (This lady is pretty strong)

I work just 8 hours a week, so I have time to walk her. She needs an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening otherwise she will destroy our house. I was prepared to walk a dog every day - come rain or sun, but her needs are excessive.

If I leave her for so much as an hour she will poop on the house in protest. When let off the lead we have the exhaust her with a game of fetch otherwise she will not come back (we have invested a lot of time and money in training) we offer her roast chicken as a treat - she will only come back when she feels like it.

She scratches all our doors and destroys the kids toys if anything is left out.

She is not the dog I thought I was getting (relatively small) she is medium to large and just so unruly. She is aggressive with other dogs (never us and she is very sweet with the children)

The kids love her, we always thought we were against the idea of re homing but this is getting out of hand.

I guess - AIBU to consider rehoming options - for her happiness and ours.

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GettingItOutThere · 19/05/2021 13:00

lots of walks, training, kongs, treat balls (especially when you go out), finding games, hide things.

honestly upto 2 is the worst bits. 2 till 4 they start to "settle", so there is light at the end of the tunnel.

but dont let her off the lead if she wont come back/aggressive else this will never improve

get regular/weekly training sessions

CuriousaboutSamphire · 19/05/2021 13:11

I have known a gundog trainer take on a Vizsla and tell the owning to limit walks, down from 3 or 4 hours a day to a couple of 15 minute slots, but intersperse the day with regular brain work. Yes!

I know another Bullie owner who uses walks to tire his excitement reactive dog. Same issues and age as mine. But he won't listen to a word I tell him about how I train my monster. His is now on her 2nd warning having bitten another dog when over tired and over excited. Tore at its back leg causing superficial but extensive damage. She has also snapped at mine but I was quicker to remove her. We awere watching mine as I have always acknowledged his lack of control when over stimulated. So when his went off on one it took a second to work out which dog to deal with. Mine sustained minor tooth marks to his cheeks.

His dog is NOT aggressive. She just gets too tired and too excited and reacts badly, has no off button and he doesn't look after her emotional security. She will be aggressive if he doesn't work with her properly. I doubt he will and I can think of nothing else I can do but report him, have her removed before she does something she can't come back from. Sad

motogogo · 19/05/2021 13:11

Have you tried training her? Have you owned a dog before? With crosses you cannot be sure of size of traits. Rehoming is a personal choice, but please don't then get another dog with working out what you did wrong, it's not the dogs fault

SadieCow · 19/05/2021 13:18

I agree a behaviourist, a really good one.

She is not a "bad" dog.

Bluesheep8 · 19/05/2021 13:19

I was speaking with my trainer recently and he said that none of the cockerpoos he has worked with have been what he would predict they would be. He says it’s anybody’s guess what traits you end up with when you mix a cocker spaniel with a poodle.

Yep, this is the trouble with mixing breeds. In this case because people want dogs that look like teddy bears, unfortunately.

Foobydoo · 19/05/2021 13:19

@Nonbibblebibble

She's NOT a BAD dog. She's not been trained properly. She needs to be taught to walk without pulling, ( you can do it in 20 minutes, not even kidding) she needs more stimulation, she needs regular walks, and to be taught how to toilet properly. It sounds like your are leaving her alone too long. She's anxious PLUS you don't seem to have socialised her properly. Please find her a good home with people who will have time for her.
@Nonbibblebibble can you please tell me how? Sorry again for asking on your thread @2ndaryInfertilityage30 but there is some great advice on here I am screenshotting them all and sending them to DH.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 19/05/2021 13:28

@Foobydoo any of the stop and wait or direction change walks will do it very quickly.

You have to repeat it every time your dog pulls but the initial response is really quick.

The direction changes are great - but my dog won't change direction, he just sits down - but the stop and wait is as good. You just need to pick one and stick to it.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 19/05/2021 13:42

CuriousaboutSamphire

I’m in love with and covet your toad 😍

fanacapan. You have the blonde version of my old girl 😍

vivainsomnia · 19/05/2021 13:46

Two 1 hour walks a day is not excessive at all. That’s less then what we do for our dogs which is most likely half the size of yours.

The issue seems to be with your expectations rather than the dog. They do demand attention, walks, ball throwing to wear them out. The issue is people who expect the dog to behave in only thecwaynthstbmeams they get something out of it whilst giving as little as possible.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 19/05/2021 13:56

@SheldonesqueTheBstard Locally there is a queue to take him off my hands Grin

noctu · 19/05/2021 14:02

Another vote for a behaviourist - a properly qualified one (IMDT, etc). We had one come to the house, so I could show her the behaviours we were struggling with with our dog, in his home setting. Very helpful session

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 19/05/2021 14:17

CuriousaboutSamphire

Locally there is a queue to take him off my hands

Add me to it Grin

Such a noble little face 😍

Anna727b · 19/05/2021 14:31

She's a member of your family and I think it would be best to keep working at this.

It sounds like she's a good dog. Just a high energy dog who is distressed after having moved (resulting in poor behaviour towards other dogs) and who loves the family so much she experiences separation anxiety (resulting in her pooing in the house when left).

You could try weekly or daily doggy day care with an experienced person; asking your vet about behaviourists in your area.

If you do give her up then do look for a good charity who will rehome her.

Streamside · 19/05/2021 14:35

A crossbreed is always going to throw up unpredictable results. I own springer spaniels and they need at least 2 hours exercise every day, that would be a bare minimum.
I sent mine to a springer spaniel trainer and he worked wonders with them but rarely deals with anything but gun dogs as he found the other owners were so inconsistent.Mine aren't ever allowed on sofas or seats in the house and are only allowed in the kitchen and dining area. If you're going to invest in this sort of training the whole family will have to be consistent. I belong to a few cockapoo groups on fb as I'm involved in puppy farm campaigning and wanted an insight into these crossbreeds. I see a lot of these crossbreeds in beds, dressed in clothes, sitting on sofas etc, don't bother with expensive training if that's what you want out of your dog.
Think about what future you'd like your dog to have before passing them on. He's going to take vital funds from a rehoming shelter if that's the route you're thinking of going down and you should try everything you can before rehoming.

trytoignoreit · 19/05/2021 14:36

I have a working cocker and he has an hour in the morning off lead and probably more like 20 minutes part on lead in the afternoon. You can make them too fit Wink

My previous working cocker loved tennis balls, but I weened him off by throwing them less often and eventually never. I think working spaniels can get overstimulated and too 'in the zone' so they can't stop being hyper. He started to enjoy his walks more. With this spaniel we haven't done balls or sticks and she loves a nap. Isn't so keen to be left alone, so have to shut him in kitchen with the radio on to avoid digging damage if someone rings the doorbell. He settles quickly ( I have a camera) abs is not left regularly for more than the odd hour.

I did use treats to start with and now I never give treats. He's 6 now !

Peace43 · 19/05/2021 14:52

I’d also add the kids toys within reach are a total no no. My DD learned to keep her bedroom door shut and her toys off the floor... eventually! We still have a lot of paraplegic barbies and one eyed teddies. Even now he is older and won’t chew the habits of putting shoes away and keeping stuff we care about out of dog range are ingrained.

MaryLennoxsScowl · 19/05/2021 16:35

I have a wcs too and agree with a PP that they’re good pets if you give them brain work and lots of stimulation. Mine gets his food scattered and he has to wait sitting still while we go into the other room to do it - he’s not allowed to sneak in or edge closer or he has to go back and wait again. He gets chews and does tricks and plays hide and seek, and food hidden in rolled-up towels/cardboard boxes etc, or in a kong.

Mine had separation anxiety up to about 7 months, would howl and cry and scratch the door when left for a couple of minutes, and we got a trainer to visit him and she said he’s more annoyed with you than upset - the tone of his howls was demanding. She suggested going further away (we sat in the car) so he knew we’d really gone and weren’t just hiding round the door, and setting a timer for 5 minutes no matter how much noise he made. We left scattered food and did that. She said it wouldn’t work if he’d been really distressed (listen to tone of whine on doggy cam), but she thought he needed to realise the world wasn’t falling down when we weren’t there. We then built up to ten mins slowly and we were at 90 minutes and could comfortably go to the supermarket or have a pint when lockdown hit. We really need to start it again now. But might be of interest? She said that if it was closing the door that upset him, repeating that over and over without making him wait on one side was an option too, so he is desensitised to the door.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 19/05/2021 16:40

she said he’s more annoyed with you than upset - the tone of his howls was demanding. That was one of the best things I was told - He isn't sad or upset, he wants you to hurry up!

He plays a game with DH where they are both quite rough with each other, occasionally one of them gets hurt but neither of them will stop the game. It's his (the dog's) time of day to be obnoxious and act daft. he takes it with glee. After that he has to go back to being pleasant.

That's the joy of someone who knows what they are talking about. They give you the tools to do what is needed.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 19/05/2021 16:40

Which reminds me.. must work on the not barking when animals arrive on the telly!

Iwishiwereamillionaire · 19/05/2021 16:49

Nonbibblebibble

She needs to be taught to walk without pulling, ( you can do it in 20 minutes, not even kidding)

Please tell me how you do this! Mine pulls and I just can’t get him to stop until we are right at the end of the walk!

MaryLennoxsScowl · 19/05/2021 16:51

Yes, @CuriousaboutSamphire! And you could tell it was the right approach because I could hear him sounding grumpy - like a toddler having a strop - once she’d said it! It might not be the problem here, but it’s an example of how a trainer can just get it.

Current issues are getting too hyper at the beach and demanding things thrown all the time, and refusing to wait nicely while I chat to other dogwalkers - I like the long stay suggested upthread - we do that in the house but haven’t tried it outside.

2bazookas · 19/05/2021 16:53

That's not a "bad dog". She's the wrong breed for you.

You got the dog you asked for; an active high- energy breed that needs a great deal more excercise and stimulation than you provide/offer. Its entirely predictable that a smart bored breed reaching maturity, becomes more assertive, more wilful, more frustrated and more destructive. Smart girl has got your number, worked out her own ways of getting your attention.

It's remarkable and fortunate that she is still sweet with children; which will make it far easier for a charity to rehome her. You should do that now before boredom and frustration ruin her temperament and make her grumpy and snappy.

The kind responsible thing is to pass her to a rehoming charity. Two years old is a good age for her to engage with new owners and new training. She'll do great with owners geared to the high -energy very active lifestyle she deserves.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 19/05/2021 16:55

There are 2 wyas that work easily, but need repeating often:

Turn and walk away
Every time your dog puls you turn and start walking the other way

  • doesn't work with mine he just sits down, so I can't give you the details

Loose Lead Pays Off
Stop when the lead goes taut and wait for you dog to look at you and lessen the tension. Do and say nothing, just stop moving

  • as soon as the tension lessens drop a treat in front of you but behind the dog, proximity to you gets the treat

Mine has worked out lots of work rounds for this but you just adapt. So when he slacks off the lead and then pulls again I just stop again, say do nothing and wait until he comes back to me without a treat - he comes and sits down looking up at me eventually. I think we're both pushing this as far as it can go Smile

cupsofcoffee · 19/05/2021 17:13

She doesn't sound like a bad dog at all, and I'm sure, deep down, you know that really. The vast majority of her behaviour is because her needs aren't being met somewhere along the line. That's not necessarily your fault - dogs are hard work and it can take a while to realise what makes yours "tick".

She is so so strong that my kids can’t walk her. She has pulled my mother in law over and she spent 5 days in hospital. (This lady is pretty strong)

All dogs will pull unless they're trained not to. I don't know what equipment you use on her, but I've found a Trixie Touring Harness really good - the D ring is very far down on their back and it seems to give me much more control. It's fantastic on my beagle, anyway. They're about £13 from Amazon if you want to try them out Smile but the only real solution is training - I did the "stop and stand still" technique whenever he pulled, but another popular one is turning and walking in the opposite direction all the time. It means you don't get far at first, though Grin

I work just 8 hours a week, so I have time to walk her. She needs an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening otherwise she will destroy our house. I was prepared to walk a dog every day - come rain or sun, but her needs are excessive.

Two hours a day is pretty standard for most adult dogs and I don't think it's excessive in the slightest, tbh. It sounds like your expectations were perhaps a bit off? Walks don't need to be full on running around, a good, slow sniffy walk on the lead can be an excellent way to tire out a dog, and make sure you vary the route, time and location so she doesn't get bored.

If I leave her for so much as an hour she will poop on the house in protest.

It's not a protest - dogs aren't capable of that kind of thought. She's pooing because she's anxious and scared at being on her own. It's a bit like when humans feel nauseous and get a funny stomach when they're worried or upset. It's not her fault. If she has separation anxiety then you really need to address this with a behaviourist as it won't go away on it's own.

When let off the lead we have the exhaust her with a game of fetch otherwise she will not come back (we have invested a lot of time and money in training) we offer her roast chicken as a treat - she will only come back when she feels like it.

If her recall is dodgy then you MUST keep her on a lead at all times, for her own safety as much as anything else. You could attach a longline to her harness to give her some more freedom if you wanted - they're available on Amazon or eBay. A biothane one is best as it won't get weighed down, wet and filthy.

She scratches all our doors and destroys the kids toys if anything is left out.

The scratching sounds like separation anxiety and the toy thing is really down to environmental management. If she can't be trusted then everything has to be put away - it could cause a fatal blockage if she swallows something she shouldn't do.

She is not the dog I thought I was getting (relatively small) she is medium to large and just so unruly.

Cocker spaniels are not what I would describe as small - all the ones I walk and know are very much medium sized dogs. Crossing with a toy poodle is no guarantee of small offspring, sadly. Again, the unruliness is because her needs aren't being met - she's not a bad or unruly dog by nature, she just needs training and possibly a job to do.

She is aggressive with other dogs (never us and she is very sweet with the children)

Is she aggressive or a frustrated greeter, or lead reactive? It's very easy to mistake reactivity for aggression. But again, she must be on a lead for her own safety here. If she goes up to the wrong dogs and aggresses, she could end up bitten or worse.

The kids love her, we always thought we were against the idea of re homing but this is getting out of hand.

Please get help from a proper, accredited behaviourist. None of the problems you've listed are unsolvable - you just need to change your expectations (work with the dog you've got, not the one you want).

Good luck Flowers

ashmts · 19/05/2021 18:59

@Streamside I see a lot of these crossbreeds in beds, dressed in clothes, sitting on sofas etc, don't bother with expensive training if that's what you want out of your dog.

My dog is allowed on the sofa. It's my sofa and it's my choice, you don't have to be sneery about it. My dog's a member of the family so I wouldn't lock her out of the living area. Your dog, your choice, I suppose. My (pedigree) WCS wears coats when it's cold or wet and has a dressing gown for after baths or wet walks. She's also well-trained, a great dog, and I'm hoping to do gundog training with her when she's a bit older. It actually took a lot of training to get her calm enough to settle on the sofa so what you've said doesn't make sense.