Unnecessary cosmetic surgery and treatments

[justawoman76]

At work today, one of my younger colleagues, (23), was telling us how she is about to get her face 'filled' and botox.
She literally has perfect skin. I asked why she was getting botox and she wrinkled up her forehead by raising her brows and pointed to the area and said ' that's why'.
I tried to explain that everyone has forehead wrinkles when they intentionally raise their brows, but she was adamant she wants rid of them and her face 'filled'.
It just made me so sad that such a young woman thinks normal facial movement is abnormal. She's getting her lips 'done' when she's there.

Today I also me my new neighbour, and I could barely understand (or stop looking at) her as she was talking, as her lips were so pumped up she couldn't talk properly. The side profile was incredible, not just the lips but the whole margin around the lips was so swollen. And black tattooed eyebrows (when will that fashion go away?). Such a shame because she is obviously actually a nice looking woman under that.

WHY do women feel they have to do this to themselves? I know it's all up to the individual and whatever makes them happy yadda yadda, but I wonder if they seriously know how weird it looks, and that everyone can see what they've had done? Or is that the intention?

23 years old seem ridiculous to be thinking about getting fillers and botox!

I think the trend is going to die down a lot with the next generation of teenagers and young people. My daughter and her friends definitely prefer the natural look and seem to be very anti this hyper-feminine over done look that was everywhere until recently. In fact, thinking about it, none of the young people I work with have been following these trends recently. It might just be my area of the UK but it is definitely not as fashionable as it was. Maybe something to do with Lockdown?

This thread has reminded me of being a student and having a boyfriend comment on how wrinkled my forehead was and I how I should avoid making it "worse".

I have a very expressive face. Fortunately I ignored his idiotic comments, as I ignored the offer of a boob job from my now-ex-husband.

No-one makes decisions about injecting their faces in a vacuum, I admire anyone who rejects such procedures as ultimately I don't think it benefits women.

@ChessIsASport

I think the trend is going to die down a lot with the next generation of teenagers and young people. My daughter and her friends definitely prefer the natural look and seem to be very anti this hyper-feminine over done look that was everywhere until recently. In fact, thinking about it, none of the young people I work with have been following these trends recently. It might just be my area of the UK but it is definitely not as fashionable as it was. Maybe something to do with Lockdown?

Yy Dd and her friends are very much like this.

Hugely worrying trend imo and is completely different to clothes makeup etc when the long term effects are unknown/ just coming to light. Think this industry should be regulated. Having had to take meds for a LTC to lead a normal life I'm at genuine odds with those who potentially are putting there health at risk for this and other actions. Feel really sorry for young people and this over exposure to unrealistic images of what females should look like and the health problems they could be storing up for the long term. I also struggle that the NHS will have to pick up the tab at some point, taking resources from genuine need.

@ChessIsASport

I think the trend is going to die down a lot with the next generation of teenagers and young people. My daughter and her friends definitely prefer the natural look and seem to be very anti this hyper-feminine over done look that was everywhere until recently. In fact, thinking about it, none of the young people I work with have been following these trends recently. It might just be my area of the UK but it is definitely not as fashionable as it was. Maybe something to do with Lockdown?

Yes I've read quite a few of the towie/love island lot are having fillers dissolved at the moment

Each to their own. Who am I to tell a woman what to do with her body.

I do find a trend of some women only being happy with the right type of feminism. The snobbish attitude to cosmetic treatments is a good example - it's your body but ...

Saying to someone that they look lovely just as they are?

Have you ever said this to a colleague that has dyed their hair, had their eyebrows shaped, worn make-up, shaved their legs? I presume not. Why is one type of beauty treatment acceptable but another isn't? Botox and fillers are not permanent so it's not about permanently changing appearance.

@ChessIsASport

I think the trend is going to die down a lot with the next generation of teenagers and young people. My daughter and her friends definitely prefer the natural look and seem to be very anti this hyper-feminine over done look that was everywhere until recently. In fact, thinking about it, none of the young people I work with have been following these trends recently. It might just be my area of the UK but it is definitely not as fashionable as it was. Maybe something to do with Lockdown?

This exactly! Fillers were suddenly really accessible, a new shiny novelty and they took off. There is now 100% a trend for completely dissolving filler, or having it done with a much lighter hand.

I remember when I was 10 in 2004 there was a trend for huge breast implants. Fast forward 15 years and people still get breast implants but more often than not natural in size and shape, it is very very rare to see a Jordan type look where boobs are clearly fake. I see fillers going through this exact cycle.

I do think there are issues with tweakments: lack of regulation is scary, advertising (celebs promoting skincare when 95% of the reason their skin is great is undisclosed botox), and pressure on young girls when they are led to believe people look so perfect naturally (in the same vein as photoshopping, it distorts view of reality). But, that doesn't mean people shouldn't have them, and we should judge those that choose to do it.

@unwuthering

The longer you use botox the shiner your forehead becomes.

Kylie was shiny well over twenty years ago when my ex met her. He used to be a big fan, but came home desolate, saying "She's all shiny..."

The other thing to look forward to is the opportunity to sport a forehead snake or two - those bulging veins some Botox users get on their foreheads, like Angelina Jolie and any number of others.

Not sure why you think forehead veins equal Botox... it’s more to do with your skin type and whether you’ve got ‘fine/thin’ skin.

If you look at Angelina Jolie, she has prominent veins on other parts of her body, which suggests to me that it’s more her genetic make up than Botox in her case

I don't understand it either. I'm in my 50s, never had anything done, but I know plenty of people who do. Some look good, some terrible. I think it's a political issue - we need to think about why our culture pressurises women (mainly) to look a certain way and to spend so much of their income and time on the way they look. But most people seem to believe it's free choice and will criticise you for 'judging' and 'denouncing' other people, so you can't win.

I think each to their own, but I do agree that when the lips are so inflated they can't speak properly then its too much.

Not sure why you think forehead veins equal Botox... it’s more to do with your skin type and whether you’ve got ‘fine/thin’ skin.

If you look at Angelina Jolie, she has prominent veins on other parts of her body, which suggests to me that it’s more her genetic make up than Botox in her case

I thought it was a quite well known side-effect of Botox. It's been discussed before on MN, also. Other examples can be found by googling or in this old entry:

listofcelebs.blogspot.com/2011/06/list-of-celebs-with-forehead-big-vein.html

www.byrdie.com/long-term-effects-of-botox

"Wexler says that some patients complain of a visible thinning of the skin after many years of Botox use. That might mean exposure of subdermal veins between areas of normal thickness. This isn't common, but Wexler says that patients who start Botox "too early," like in their early 20s, can be at risk for this side effect."

@unwuthering

Not sure why you think forehead veins equal Botox... it’s more to do with your skin type and whether you’ve got ‘fine/thin’ skin.

If you look at Angelina Jolie, she has prominent veins on other parts of her body, which suggests to me that it’s more her genetic make up than Botox in her case

I thought it was a quite well known side-effect of Botox. It's been discussed before on MN, also. Other examples can be found by googling or in this old entry:

listofcelebs.blogspot.com/2011/06/list-of-celebs-with-forehead-big-vein.html

www.byrdie.com/long-term-effects-of-botox

"Wexler says that some patients complain of a visible thinning of the skin after many years of Botox use. That might mean exposure of subdermal veins between areas of normal thickness. This isn't common, but Wexler says that patients who start Botox "too early," like in their early 20s, can be at risk for this side effect."

Well I’ve got those veins in my head and I can promise I’ve never had Botox! I’m not saying it doesn’t happen to those that do have it, but those don’t meant they definitely have had Botox.

Christ everyone will think I’ve had Botox since I was about 18 in that case 😂😂

Yes, its acceptable to straighten perfectly healthy teeth - including having healthy teeth removed from children's mouths to make space for others to sit straight.

Its acceptable to dye your hair, pull out facial hair, shave legs, have tattoos.

Some changes to your body for unnecessary cosmetic reasons are far more acceptable than others.

Also the "you can always tell" crowd. There's a local woman who's got quite a big Instagram following. When talking to her in real life I thought she might have had a bit of botox as her forhead was very good for a woman of her age. Recently she put on Instagram a post of her having work done, and I was honestly shocked how much she had done, lips, fillers and not just forehead botox, but also round her eyes. If done well, it isn't noticeable, you don't get the pillowy, puffy look if its good work. Just look a tiny bit better.

That does seem to be more popular with older woman, wanting to look like "you but better", not looking like someone else.

@EmeraldShamrock

This may be outing, my nieces friend is a performer, she's got a great ass, beautiful lips, both natural she is a black girl, she had ribs removed and lipo suction on her tummy but couldn't rid her pouch now she is due to have her womb removed for a flat stomach. She has 1 DD and doesn't want more she is 21.

I can't remember the last time I read something so utterly disturbing on here.

I wouldn't trust a surgeon with the care of a hamster, let alone with the care and safety of a human, if they would pull a womb out of a woman at the age of 21, so she can have a flatter stomach, I mean, What. The ACTUAL fuck?!

The uterus is a small organ hiding behind the pubic bone. It doesn’t rise up or push your abdomen out until you’re a couple of months into pregnancy. I suspect you’ve been fed a bit of misinformation there, maybe she’s got gynae issues and is having a hysterectomy for other reasons. No surgeon would do that operation for a flatter stomach as it wouldn’t make a blind bit of different.

It got lots of people frothing though!

How could so many posters who are presumably female be so ignorant about their own physiology as to have fallen for that, hook line and sinker?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/doctor-forced-warn-women-your-19032735.amp

@NameChangeChronicPain Good point. I know she wants a womb removal for a flatter tummy she must be lying about having a surgeon booked though she has spent a small fortune in Turkey for her super tiny waist.
I'll show my niece that article.

I get my lips filled. I'm 35.
Since being a child I was massively insecure about my lips because they were none existent.

The key is going to the best people and know how to enhance what you have.

I love my lip filler. One of the best things I ever did for my self confidence

[quote EmeraldShamrock]@NameChangeChronicPain Good point. I know she wants a womb removal for a flatter tummy she must be lying about having a surgeon booked though she has spent a small fortune in Turkey for her super tiny waist.
I'll show my niece that article.[/quote]
Yeah she’s definitely lying. She’s probably got it into her head that having her womb removed will help and wants to get it done and is embellishing the rest!

Thank you for the heads up I was shocked when Dniece told me it was friends next cosmetic job.