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To have reported my friend to CS

115 replies

annamilo · 10/05/2021 09:39

Hi all,

I feel really bad about something.

I am going to have to change details so it doesn’t become obvious.
I was with a friend and she has a few children.
Whilst out with her, I witnessed her really whack one of her children across the head, I was shocked firstly by her hitting him but also by her doing it in front of me.
He was playing up a bit but no more than any other child does sometimes.
Afterwards, she gave him some extra medication for his ADHD so that he would be calmer.
Every time I hear her shout at her children she screams and threatens to “fucking batter” them, I’ve never had a conversation with her without her screaming at her children.
I mentioned this to someone as I was thinking about it a lot, once I mentioned it to this person I had to make the decision of what to do.
I decided to report her as I was so concerned by what I witnessed and thought, if she can do that in front of me, imagine what she could do when no one is there.
Was I wrong to have done this? What do I do if she asks if it’s me?
This incident happened around a month ago and I only reported her a few days ago.
Please give me advice as now I feel really bad for reporting her.
Thanks in advance

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newnortherner111 · 10/05/2021 10:48

You did the right thing. I understand why you did not feel able to challenge at the time.

Whilst done out of concern for the welfare of your friend's children, it may also indirectly help your friend if the issues that have contributed to her behaviour are not ignored.

annamilo · 10/05/2021 10:48

@SelkieBe I’m the exact same. Sometimes o just burst into tears

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Ilovedthe70s · 10/05/2021 10:48

Well done for reporting, hopefully it will have more effect than other people mentioning it to the school.

Also well done for stepping away from the friendship, not easy when you have anxiety and so much else to deal with yourself.Flowers

MimiDaisy11 · 10/05/2021 10:49

It might not be that she's struggling or at the end of her tether. It could be that that is how she was raised and hasn't reflected on how it's not acceptable. But either way, reporting her is the best way to go.

annamilo · 10/05/2021 10:49

@Ilovedthe70s thank you so much xx

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Fuckitfuckit · 10/05/2021 10:50

[quote annamilo]@Fuckitfuckit you are right, if I would have said anything she probably would have walloped me.
I don’t speak to her now after I saw that.
A child with adhd needs even more support not physical violence.
My son saw it too and he was upset when we left[/quote]
Thank you for confirming that.

My betting is, with someone like that, she wouldn't take a second to think, was I wrong?
She would have defensively become aggressive, and whatever the fallout, she would have been convinced that you reported her because of your "disagreement".

Best not to engage with people like that, because it just becomes a different situation.

It then becomes less about having witnessed the abuse of her children.

I think you've done the right thing. I'd not engage with her at all anymore, but like I said, I'd also make the school aware of what you saw, so they know more of the bigger picture than what they see themselves, and hear from other parents.

Out of interest, do you know the location of the children's father(s)? Are they in their children's lives? Can they step in and help?

nancywhitehead · 10/05/2021 10:51

@annamilo

I actually do have a 6 year old with ADHD so I understand how they can be challenging but these medications taken in excess can cause severe issues. ADHD medication isn’t one you can just decide to double when a doctor prescribes a fixed dose
She absolutely shouldn't be giving him extra medication. I hope you told CS about that as well, if anything that is even more concerning than hitting him.

However both things are abusive and she obviously needs support with parenting and managing the demands of having a child with ADHD.

You did the right thing by the child. Make sure you follow up and find out what happened.

Eiumer · 10/05/2021 10:52

What kind of friend are you if you couldn't bring yourself to speak to her about your concerns? A good friend would have said something to the mother FIRST before involving other people or the authorities. You mention her child having ADHD meds, in addition to having many children (not sure how relevant this is to your concerns) have you ever asked her how it is for HER (emotionally, physically, mentally) to parent a child with ADHD? Or what it's like to parent many children? From the sound of your post, I doubt you have. Parenting is difficult with a healthy child, and with a SEN it gets increasingly hard and soul destroying. And yet, parents of these children do it on an ongoing basis and many without respite. Maybe she needs a breather or a friend to confide in (who won't call cs). If you really care for your "friend" and her children, do the right thing and let her know what your concerns are and why you called cs. Hopefully, she and her children will get the help they need and maybe she will make some new real friends along the way.

nancywhitehead · 10/05/2021 10:55

@Eiumer

What kind of friend are you if you couldn't bring yourself to speak to her about your concerns? A good friend would have said something to the mother FIRST before involving other people or the authorities. You mention her child having ADHD meds, in addition to having many children (not sure how relevant this is to your concerns) have you ever asked her how it is for HER (emotionally, physically, mentally) to parent a child with ADHD? Or what it's like to parent many children? From the sound of your post, I doubt you have. Parenting is difficult with a healthy child, and with a SEN it gets increasingly hard and soul destroying. And yet, parents of these children do it on an ongoing basis and many without respite. Maybe she needs a breather or a friend to confide in (who won't call cs). If you really care for your "friend" and her children, do the right thing and let her know what your concerns are and why you called cs. Hopefully, she and her children will get the help they need and maybe she will make some new real friends along the way.
She hit her child around the head and is giving him extra medication that is potentially harmful.

Sorry but at this point I really wouldn't care how it is for mum or whether I was being a "good friend", my concern would be the child!

Obviously the mother needs help, but that comes second.

OP has also explained why she finds it difficult to be around violence and closed up.

She absolutely did the right thing.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 10/05/2021 10:56

How is she getting away with these double doses? The meds are strictly controlled. She'll run out and then have to go back to the paed or paed psychiatrist and it'll be found out. Have you asked her how she manages this? Interesting. We have to go through the wringer to get hold of DS's - he often spits them out or refuses them (he has autism as well), and we have to pretend recycle them.

RaspberryBubblegum · 10/05/2021 10:57

@Eiumer OP also has a child with ADHD. Maybe you should read the updates?

ThatIsMyPotato · 10/05/2021 10:59

@annamilo

I want to just explain something. The reason I didn’t speak up was because her firstly saying “you didn’t see or hear anything” then also I suffer with severe anxiety disorder, have PTSD, I find it very hard to confront people. She is a big personality and if you let her you would know. Often at school she is seen hitting and no one there bats an eyelid, all they do is report to teacher. The reason I waited a month was because I was very unwell, I lost 3 stones due to severe vomiting and was in hospital. As soon as I was out I reported it
I understand OP. You've done what you could so don't be harsh on yourself.
roguetomato · 10/05/2021 11:00

If you were genuinely concerned about children, you don't need to feel guilty. It's for the sake and safety of children, and the mum will get support.

Myglueattack · 10/05/2021 11:03

You've done the right thing.

annamilo · 10/05/2021 11:10

@nancywhitehead yeah I told them about the meds too xx

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annamilo · 10/05/2021 11:14

@Eiumer I have a child with ADHD, ODD and neuro diversity issues, if you had read that before making out I’m an awful person.
This person was known before to children’s services.
The reason I mentioned she had more children was to give an understanding that maybe it was too much alone.
Before judging read a post correctly

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Fuckitfuckit · 10/05/2021 11:15

@Eiumer

What kind of friend are you if you couldn't bring yourself to speak to her about your concerns? A good friend would have said something to the mother FIRST before involving other people or the authorities. You mention her child having ADHD meds, in addition to having many children (not sure how relevant this is to your concerns) have you ever asked her how it is for HER (emotionally, physically, mentally) to parent a child with ADHD? Or what it's like to parent many children? From the sound of your post, I doubt you have. Parenting is difficult with a healthy child, and with a SEN it gets increasingly hard and soul destroying. And yet, parents of these children do it on an ongoing basis and many without respite. Maybe she needs a breather or a friend to confide in (who won't call cs). If you really care for your "friend" and her children, do the right thing and let her know what your concerns are and why you called cs. Hopefully, she and her children will get the help they need and maybe she will make some new real friends along the way.
Do you know what its like being a child in a similar position? Fuck what the mother feels like, she is giving her children double the dosage of medication that the child requires. She also hit her child around the head for no reason.

I was the eldest of four within our house.
My 3 siblings all had ADHD. 2 were undiagnosed until later on in their childhood.

I never really had a childhood. I had to "help" with my siblings. Except helping was to fulfil many of the parenting duties that my mother should have been fulfilling. If the younger ones were uncontrollable, she would hit me. Infact I vividly remember one of my siblings running away from me, when I was 7 or 8. I remember going home, I was having a panic attack (wasn't aware at the time just I was very upset and scared) when I managed to choke out what had happened, she smashed my head into a wall. It wasn't rare for her to hit us for nothing.
I don't remember my mum actually ever speaking to me like I was a person, I remember her screaming at me because I wasn't helping her enough, or something was wrong. In those situations you just shut down through fear anything you do is going to cause an angry reaction.
I've tried to only include the abuse that's similar to what OP has mentioned, but there will be other ways these children are being let down by their mother.

People who are like this, when they're confronted they lash out at the person confronting them. A teacher confronted her when I was 13. He knew previous SS referrals had not helped. He tried to talk to my mother to change things. She tried to have him sacked, and had me removed from his class. She managed to turn his concerns for my wellbeing into him having an agenda against me. Then I went home to be beaten.
Before this, she would be confronted by someone about something or another, it wasn't irregular for her to fight them, or to try and have them sacked, or pack up and move, or move the school me or my siblings attended.

Please don't make excuses for people who treat their children like this.

I have C PTSD, GAD, OCD, Depression, Binge eating disorder, agoraphobic tendencies and EUPD because of my childhood.

Their childhood might just put them in a position where they can never escape the damage that's been done to them.

annamilo · 10/05/2021 11:15

@Eiumer also to add, having a child with ADHD isn’t an excuse to hit a child across the head and to then overdose their medication!!

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grapewine · 10/05/2021 11:20

You did the right thing, but you can't carry on being her friend now.

annamilo · 10/05/2021 11:20

The reason I mentioned she has a few children was to give an understanding that maybe it was too much alone.
This woman had a social worker before and they closed the case as no one spoke up.
My son has ADHD, ODD and neuro diversity issues and I would never ever hit him across the head or hit him full stop. I’ve had black eyes from him but he is my everything and I would never inflict harm upon him.
Doubling the medication is really dangerous.
I don’t know if this is a regular occurrence but I know it happened when I was there

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 10/05/2021 11:20

You did the right thing!

Dealing with adhd can be incredibly frustrating, as it seems like they are just ignoring you, but they’re not. They can’t help it. She needs to learn strategies as to how to cope with her child’s adhd, not hit him.

Hopefully she will get the help she needs.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 10/05/2021 11:22

With my son the frustrating thing is that you just need to leave so long to get ready for anything, or do anything that he hasn’t actively chosen.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 10/05/2021 11:22

But I’d never hit him!

annamilo · 10/05/2021 11:23

@osbertthesyrianhamster I have no idea, I’m not sure if it’s a regular occurrence but I know she did it when I was there as she told me

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Shinyletsbebadguys · 10/05/2021 11:31

Its not a smart idea to challenge the mother directly. You actually did the right thing contacting CS instead.

For pp who are attempting to denigrate the OP as a friend. Think through what may happen. OP challenges a clearly frazzled and aggressive mother who is already defensive and clearly unable to manage her reactions , the mother feels at best embarrassed and defensive at worst she feels angry. OP leaves....who do you think that lack of emotional regulation is taken out on? It wil be the child for "showing her up" etc.

I've seen it in my previous roles frighteningly often where a friend or a stranger steps in without the ability to risk assess the child's safety. I've quite literally seen the bruises.

Unless you are in the position of being able to protect that child after witnessing physical abuse you don't step in directly.

Not you OP but pp, your need to be validated as a "good " person and friend does not trump the child's safety. This is why there is safeguarding training.

Op you did the right thing. You had to report this.